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Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Sep 24 22:43:35 2014, in response to In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by terrapin StatiOn on Wed Sep 24 08:50:53 2014. Good post.Sorry, I know you will be reading this Saturday night. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Sep 25 05:35:05 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by chicagomotorman on Wed Sep 24 18:27:27 2014. Yup.We went outside on the porch.. neighbors didn't like much,but high holy days superceid nonsense. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:44:48 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 24 16:55:32 2014. This is a truly excellent post in an excellent thread that shows Olog's true colors yet again. Olog is no friend of the Jews. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:46:58 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:54:52 2014. I'm sorry you can't see the difference between not promoting a Palestinian genocide and a one-state solution. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:49:28 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:20:14 2014. The machzor I used on Friday morning had an explanation that I've seen in other places for how it is that Yom Teruah/"Rosh Hashanah" is in the 7th month. Somehow I doubt hearing it would have any influence on you. |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 11:20:16 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:46:58 2014. I can - and reasonable minds can differ. Also, given the present circumstance and experience with giving up land, I don't see a two-state solution as anything other than wishful thinking at this time.Wishing all a Chatima Tova, subfan |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 28 11:23:15 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:44:48 2014. You're welcome! |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 28 11:25:17 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 11:20:16 2014. Thank you. And you the same. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 28 12:21:49 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 11:20:16 2014. There is no "land for peace". It's all "land for war" and Caliphate revanchism, never mind national socialism (Nazis cannot be reasoned with). |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 28 12:27:05 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 10:44:48 2014. +1000 |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 12:32:35 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 11:20:16 2014. I don't see a two state solution in the near future, but I don't see the status quo as workable either.I agree that reasonable minds can differ, but I think that most of Am Yisrael would not consider Olog's mind to be reasonable, nor would they consider him to be someone who has Israel's best interests at heart. |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 12:53:58 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 12:32:35 2014. Did you see the YouTube clip on "John Kerry Solutions, Ltd."? It's right on point. Sometimes, there are no good answers, and conflict management is the best option possible.I believe in making life for Arab residents of the disputed areas as good as possible without compromising the security of Israelis. I don't believe a permanent solution is in the cards for the forseeable future - and trying to force the issue has historically only made things worse. subfan |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 13:15:35 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 12:53:58 2014. I think I've seen links to it, I haven't seen the clip itself.I believe in making life for Arab residents of the disputed areas as good as possible without compromising the security of Israelis. I don't believe a permanent solution is in the cards for the forseeable future - and trying to force the issue has historically only made things worse. I agree with this as well, but in the meantime, I think the Israeli government and its citizens need to stop taking certain actions that serve no useful purpose in achieving the stated goals above. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:34:42 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 12:53:58 2014. Seriously? WMATA agrees with you, but he starts shrieking that I'm antisemitic when I say the exact same thing. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:45:42 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:48:37 2014. No one here espouses the double standard you claim, presumably because you just made it up. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:45:46 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 24 16:53:03 2014. Further proof that he's just a troll. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:46:39 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Sep 24 16:54:52 2014. He denies that they want the One State Solution, From The River To The Sea.I can support that, as long as Israel gets to be the one state. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 28 13:49:07 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:46:39 2014. So you support the chicagomotorman solution? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 13:53:45 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:34:42 2014. You don't say the exact same thing. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:55:34 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 28 13:49:07 2014. No. Ethnic cleansing by genocide or expulsion is right out. Obviously.But if Israel were to annex Gaza and the West Bank and give full Israeli citizenship to their residents, I'd be quite fine with that. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:56:12 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 13:53:45 2014. Yes I do.If you refuse to read or comprehend, that's your problem. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:08:35 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:56:12 2014. I think you fail to comprehend. Israel isn't interested in giving full citizenship to the Gazans or the non-Jews in the West Bank because it isn't in Israel's national interest to do so and never will be. Subfan doesn't advocate for what you do. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:09:02 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:55:34 2014. Never going to happen, nor should it, and you know exactly why. This is why what you and Subfan say are not one in the same. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 28 14:17:57 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 13:55:34 2014. Then you don't believe that Israel should be the one state. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 28 14:18:02 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:08:35 2014. never will beNever say never. Things can change. They have changed remarkably in Northern Ireland. But probably not in our lifetimes. :( |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:41:47 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 28 14:18:02 2014. It will never be in Israel's interest to create a situation where the state will not be majority Jewish. You can bet on that. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 28 15:08:49 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:41:47 2014. You're welcome. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 28 15:09:45 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:09:02 2014. You're welcome. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Sun Sep 28 15:12:04 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:08:35 2014. You're welcome. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:25:02 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:08:35 2014. Israel isn't interested in giving full citizenship to the Gazans or the non-Jews in the West Bank because it isn't in Israel's national interest to do so and never will be.See that's the problem right there— you advocate ethnic cleansing, and anything else you claim to support is entirely subordinate to that. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:26:33 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:41:47 2014. If your opinion is commonplace in Israel, that would prove Israel is just as bad as the various Palestinians. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:27:20 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Sep 28 14:17:57 2014. Oh? What would the other state be? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:29:00 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 14:09:02 2014. Never going to happen...Not in our lifetimes anyway. People like you will make sure of that. ... nor should it... Why not? ... and you know exactly why. You have yet to offer a reason besides blathering about how non-Jews are subhuman and "contaminating" Israel. |
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Posted by Gamera on Sun Sep 28 15:30:56 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:25:02 2014. He did NOT say thatOn the other hand your "solution" will lead to ethnic cleansing. If the Gazans and West bank Arabs are granted full citizenship then what will stop the new Arab majority government from expelling all Jews from Israel (which will probably be renamed Palestine by them as well)? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 15:33:44 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:26:33 2014. There are some significant differences between what I propose and the judenrein proposals for a Palestinian state. But don't let yourself be confused by such details. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 15:34:02 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Gamera on Sun Sep 28 15:30:56 2014. I'm glad someone understands me. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:40:02 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Gamera on Sun Sep 28 15:30:56 2014. What will stop the Jewish majority government from expelling all Arabs from Israel?Conspiracy theory much? |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:40:39 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 15:34:02 2014. Nice to know you've chosen to ally with the pro-genocide crowd. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:41:48 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 15:33:44 2014. What you propose is Jewish supremacy and declaring Arabic people subhuman, fit only for oppression or expulsion.Are the exact details really necessary? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:28:54 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:41:48 2014. The details would be unnecessary if that is in fact what I proposed. Alas, it is hot, so you should be paying attention to the details. They are quite important in this case. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:18 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:40:02 2014. Morality. The same thing that makes Israel make efforts that far exceed those of any other country on this planet to minimize civilian casualties in war. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:53 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 15:40:39 2014. That's amusing, since I'm not advocating genocide. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 28 19:24:16 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:18 2014. Do you really think that Israel in Gaza has been more diligent than the US in Afghanistan? |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 19:30:38 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 28 19:24:16 2014. Yes. |
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Posted by subfan on Sun Sep 28 20:10:22 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:18 2014. There's also the fact that the State of Israel has had an Arab minority community since 1948 - and that community has more civil rights and freedoms than the population in just about anywhere in the Middle East.subfan |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sun Sep 28 22:06:12 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 19:30:38 2014. You're welcome. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 22:45:51 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:18 2014. Morality.Which you believe Arabs lack? The same thing that makes Israel make efforts that far exceed those of any other country on this planet to minimize civilian casualties in war. Considering that Israel deliberately targets civilians outright, I assume that when you said "civilian casualties" you meant "Jewish casualties." |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 22:45:53 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:30:53 2014. I didn't say you were advocating genocide, I said you had allied with those who do. Gamera wants to kill every Arab in Palestine. You merely want them all oppressed or expelled except for the handful of tokens you need to convince yourself that you're not a racist.Which is frankly not much of an improvement. |
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Posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 22:45:57 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 17:28:54 2014. Alas, it is hot, so you should be paying attention to the details.But if it's hot I don't wanna focus on fiddly little details! OK, enough of that. Anyway, you still haven't explained exactly what policy you do support beyond a "two-state solution" where Israel gets all the valuable land and resources, Palestinians gets dregs and scraps, if they ask to move onto Israel's side of the line they get rejected lest they contaminate Israel's racial purity, and if they fight for more then the resulting war is all their fault. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sun Sep 28 22:49:03 2014, in response to Re: In honor of Rosh Hashanah 5775, I bring you a classic informational SubTalk post, posted by Nilet on Sun Sep 28 22:45:51 2014. Anyone who believes in a mindset like the one held by Hamas or ISIS, or who tangentially supports such a mindset, should have their morality questioned. If those people happen to be Arab, then so be it, but I don't discriminate.Israel does not target civilians outright and goes to great lengths to defend its citizens (though it could do more in some cases). |
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