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ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term "assault weapon"; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 07:02:29 2014

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NY Times

The Assault Weapon Myth

By Lois Beckett
Sept, 12, 2014
Over the past two decades, the majority of Americans in a country deeply divided over gun control have coalesced behind a single proposition: The sale of assault weapons should be banned.

That idea was one of the pillars of the Obama administration’s plan to curb gun violence, and it remains popular with the public. In a poll last December, 59 percent of likely voters said they favor a ban.

But in the 10 years since the previous ban lapsed, even gun control advocates acknowledge a larger truth: The law that barred the sale of assault weapons from 1994 to 2004 made little difference.

It turns out that big, scary military rifles don’t kill the vast majority of the 11,000 Americans murdered with guns each year. Little handguns do.

In 2012, only 322 people were murdered with any kind of rifle, F.B.I. data shows.

The continuing focus on assault weapons stems from the media’s obsessive focus on mass shootings, which disproportionately involve weapons like the AR-15, a civilian version of the military M16 rifle. This, in turn, obscures some grim truths about who is really dying from gunshots.

Annually, 5,000 to 6,000 black men are murdered with guns. Black men amount to only 6 percent of the population. Yet of the 30 Americans on average shot to death each day, half are black males.

It was much the same in the early 1990s when Democrats created and then banned a category of guns they called “assault weapons.” America was then suffering from a spike in gun crime and it seemed like a problem threatening everyone. Gun murders each year had been climbing: 11,000, then 13,000, then 17,000.

Democrats decided to push for a ban of what seemed like the most dangerous guns in America: assault weapons, which were presented by the media as the gun of choice for drug dealers and criminals, and which many in law enforcement wanted to get off the streets.

This politically defined category of guns — a selection of rifles, shotguns and handguns with “military-style” features — only figured in about 2 percent of gun crimes nationwide before the ban.

Handguns were used in more than 80 percent of murders each year, but gun control advocates had failed to interest enough of the public in a handgun ban. Handguns were the weapons most likely to kill you, but they were associated by the public with self-defense. (In 2008, the Supreme Court said there was a constitutional right to keep a loaded handgun at home for self-defense.)

Banning sales of military-style weapons resonated with both legislators and the public: Civilians did not need to own guns designed for use in war zones.

On Sept. 13, 1994, President Bill Clinton signed an assault weapons ban into law. It barred the manufacture and sale of new guns with military features and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. But the law allowed those who already owned these guns — an estimated 1.5 million of them — to keep their weapons.

The policy proved costly. Mr. Clinton blamed the ban for Democratic losses in 1994. Crime fell, but when the ban expired, a detailed study found no proof that it had contributed to the decline.

The ban did reduce the number of assault weapons recovered by local police, to 1 percent from roughly 2 percent.

“Should it be renewed, the ban’s effects on gun violence are likely to be small at best and perhaps too small for reliable measurement,” a Department of Justice-funded evaluation concluded.

Still, the majority of Americans continued to support a ban on assault weapons.

One reason: The use of these weapons may be rare over all, but they’re used frequently in the gun violence that gets the most media coverage, mass shootings.

The criminologist James Alan Fox at Northeastern University estimates that there have been an average of 100 victims killed each year in mass shootings over the past three decades. That’s less than 1 percent of gun homicide victims.

But these acts of violence in schools and movie theaters have come to define the problem of gun violence in America.

Most Americans do not know that gun homicides have decreased by 49 percent since 1993 as violent crime also fell, though rates of gun homicide in the United States are still much higher than those in other developed nations. A Pew survey conducted after the mass shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn., found that 56 percent of Americans believed wrongly that the rate of gun crime was higher than it was 20 years ago.

Even as homicide rates have held steady or declined for most Americans over the last decade, for black men the rate has sometimes risen. But it took a handful of mass shootings in 2012 to put gun control back on Congress’s agenda.

After Sandy Hook, President Obama introduced an initiative to reduce gun violence. He laid out a litany of tragedies: the children of Newtown, the moviegoers of Aurora, Colo. But he did not mention gun violence among black men.

To be fair, the president’s first legislative priority after Sandy Hook was universal background checks, a measure that might have shrunk the market for illegal guns used in many urban shootings. But Republicans in Congress killed that effort. The next proposal on his list was reinstating and “strengthening” bans on assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. It also went nowhere.

“We spent a whole bunch of time and a whole bunch of political capital yelling and screaming about assault weapons,” Mayor Mitchell J. Landrieu of New Orleans said. He called it a “zero sum political fight about a symbolic weapon.”

Mr. Landrieu and Mayor Michael A. Nutter of Philadelphia are founders of Cities United, a network of mayors trying to prevent the deaths of young black men. “This is not just a gun issue, this is an unemployment issue, it’s a poverty issue, it’s a family issue, it’s a culture of violence issue,” Mr. Landrieu said.

More than 20 years of research funded by the Justice Department has found that programs to target high-risk people or places, rather than targeting certain kinds of guns, can reduce gun violence.

David M. Kennedy, the director of the Center for Crime Prevention and Control at the John Jay College of Criminal Justice, argues that the issue of gun violence can seem enormous and intractable without first addressing poverty or drugs. A closer look at the social networks of neighborhoods most afflicted, he says, often shows that only a small number of men drive most of the violence. Identify them and change their behavior, and it’s possible to have an immediate impact.

Working with Professor Kennedy, and building on successes in other cities, New Orleans is now identifying the young men most at risk and intervening to help them get jobs. How well this strategy will work in the long term remains to be seen.

But it’s an approach based on an honest assessment of the real numbers.

Lois Beckett is a reporter who covers gun violence for ProPublica.


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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 07:46:00 2014, in response to ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term "assault weapon"; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 07:02:29 2014.

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What does the "A" in "AR-15" stand for? I thought it was "assault" but I could be wrong.


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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 15 09:00:15 2014, in response to ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term "assault weapon"; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 07:02:29 2014.

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Over the past two decades, the majority of Americans in a country deeply divided over gun control have coalesced behind a single proposition: The sale of assault weapons should be banned.

Not me. I support the use of so-called "assault weapons" for sport and recreation.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Sep 15 09:01:16 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 07:46:00 2014.

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"The 'AR' in all ArmaLite pattern firearms simply stands for ArmaLite, and can be found on most of the company's firearms: AR-5 a .22 caliber rifle, the AR-7, another .22 caliber, the AR-17 shotgun, the AR-10 rifle, in addition to the AR-24 pistol."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-15#History

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 09:19:01 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 07:46:00 2014.

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ArmaLite.

I thought it stood for "air-cooled" at one time, but I was wrong about that.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Sep 15 09:37:32 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by AlM on Mon Sep 15 07:46:00 2014.

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What does the "A" in "AR-15" stand for? I thought it was "assault" but I could be wrong.

Automatic. Automatic in that the gun automatically chambers the next round for firing.

Assault rifle is a translation of Sturmgewehr, German development of fully automatic rifle (light weight machine guns) made during WW-II, Sturmgewehr 44.

Mind you all of the weapons that were banded under the so called 'assault weapon' ban were not fully automatic rifles as in continuous fire with a single trigger pull.

Those weapons were placed under heavy regulation after the passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Sep 15 09:44:08 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Mon Sep 15 09:37:32 2014.

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What does the "A" in "AR-15" stand for? I thought it was "assault" but I could be wrong.

Automatic. Automatic in that the gun automatically chambers the next round for firing.

Assault rifle is a translation of Sturmgewehr, German development of fully automatic rifle (light weight machine guns) made during WW-II, Sturmgewehr 44.

Mind you all of the weapons that were banded under the so called 'assault weapon' ban were not fully automatic rifles as in continuous fire with a single trigger pull.

Those weapons were placed under heavy regulation after the passage of the National Firearms Act of 1934.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 15 10:22:30 2014, in response to ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term "assault weapon"; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Sep 15 07:02:29 2014.

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Most of the mass murder events were done with semiautomatic assault weapons. That's why they garner so much attention, they kill en masse. Since these are discussed for years afterward (mention Columbine and people still know what you're talking Bout) the imprint these mass killing machines, assault rifles, make remain indelible.

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Posted by Sand Box John on Tue Sep 16 23:07:41 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by bingbong on Mon Sep 15 10:22:30 2014.

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Most of the mass murder events were done with semiautomatic assault weapons. That's why they garner so much attention, they kill en masse. Since these are discussed for years afterward (mention Columbine and people still know what you're talking Bout) the imprint these mass killing machines, assault rifles, make remain indelible.

Had the asinine policy of "Gun Free Zone" not been instituted none of those event would have happened.

Law abiding citizens obey the law, criminals do not.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 17 08:10:31 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Tue Sep 16 23:07:41 2014.

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I don't see how loading yet another charge (more charges, more likely sucessful prosecution) onto a criminal is a bad thing.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 10:09:20 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 17 08:10:31 2014.

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I don't see how loading yet another charge (more charges, more likely sucessful prosecution) onto a criminal is a bad thing.

I see my comment went right over your head.

The "Gun Free Zone" policy prohibits law abiding citizens from defending themselves.

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 17 10:13:55 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 10:09:20 2014.

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Wrong, it's intention is to prevent guns on school grounds. You ought to see where the gun free zones ARE. Schools, hospitals and some churches. Doesn't prevent any "law abiding citizen" from defending their own property, which is where "gun rights" end, according to the courts.

Or are you in favor of dystopian mayhem on the streets of the country? I prefer to live free FROM guns.

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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 23:06:18 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 17 10:13:55 2014.

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Wrong, it's intention is to prevent guns on school grounds.

Again, law abiding citizens obey the law, criminals do not.

You ought to see where the gun free zones ARE. Schools, hospitals and some churches. Doesn't prevent any "law abiding citizen" from defending their own property, which is where "gun rights" end, according to the courts.

Funny, gun rights very depending on a given states laws. In some states one can open carry, in other states one can counsel carry. In a hand full of states you need to get an anal exam to be allow to counsel carry and you will still be denied. The states with the strictest gun control laws have the highest rates of crime where fire arms were used.

Or are you in favor of dystopian mayhem on the streets of the country? I prefer to live free FROM guns.

See above, also see More Guns Less Crime
by John R, Lott

John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.

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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Sep 17 23:59:06 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 23:06:18 2014.

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People like you will lead to the end of gun rights because you make the right position (pro-gun) look wrong.

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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by AlM on Thu Sep 18 04:09:15 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 23:06:18 2014.

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The states with the strictest gun control laws have the highest rates of crime where fire arms were used.

And that's why Canada's rate of murders committed by guns is about 1/7th of the United States' rate even though their non-gun murder rate is very similar to the US's.





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Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun

Posted by bingbong on Thu Sep 18 07:25:36 2014, in response to Re: ProPublica activist reveals: Democrats invented term ''assault weapon''; most gun deaths by handgun, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Sep 17 23:06:18 2014.

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More guns, less crime does NOt happen.

It's more like more guns, more death. But the NRA gun lobby won't allow the actual researh to definitively PROVE that.

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