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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 17:51:51 2014 
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 17:57:20 2014, in response to Myth vs. Fact, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 17:51:51 2014. LA used to say that only 1-2% of subway riders didn't pay during POP because that's all they ever found. Then when they installed fare gates they found that it was much higher. As high as 25% (or more) at some stations.IOW I believe that the overwhelming need them but I don't believe it's that low when there are places that buy them. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 18:06:23 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 17:57:20 2014. "Food stamps" are now on cards, they get used same as a credit or debit card, swiped at the store. How can anyone "buy" them? Sure, in the past, pre 1990s there were more opportunities for fraud, but now? How? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 16 18:15:03 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 18:06:23 2014. Hoe does SNAP prevent somebody from allowing the card to be used for, say, cigarettes? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 18:17:25 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 16 18:15:03 2014. Same as any other credit or debit card. Each charged item is itemized. Look at a grocery receipt and you'll see how it works. Same "audit" goes to the issuer and is available for inspection. That's how they know cards were used at casinos, liquor stores and such along with what was purchased. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 18:24:56 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 16 18:15:03 2014. They should be unable to complete the transaction for any non-approved items in any variety of modern cash register....which is mandatory if a retailer wants to accept SNAP. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 16 18:34:25 2014, in response to Myth vs. Fact, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 17:51:51 2014. What liars. |
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Posted by Nilet on Tue Sep 16 18:54:01 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Sep 16 18:34:25 2014. Olog wants children to starve. |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 19:04:13 2014, in response to Myth vs. Fact, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 17:51:51 2014. I would expect it was more than 1% but less than 10%. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 16 19:05:54 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 18:24:56 2014. I figure the way they could defraud SNAP is by rigging the cash register; e.g., having cigarettes register as a miscellaneous "food" item. How difficult would that be? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Sep 16 19:37:15 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by 3-9 on Tue Sep 16 19:05:54 2014. In a world of UPC codes? Kinda difficult. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 23:42:20 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by AlM on Tue Sep 16 19:04:13 2014. if I say that to the liberal activist I met on Saturday, she'll never call me again.in fact, how long before I reveal myself to her? |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 23:52:10 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by bingbong on Tue Sep 16 18:06:23 2014. I still see people with some sort of paper vouchers here in LA. I'm not especially familiar with it, but I once overheard some guys talking on the train about where to sell them.But speaking of the cards remember a few years ago when taxpayers were complaining that people with the cards could get cash from them at casinos in California? That's likely an example of fraud imo. Not in every case, but in most of them. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 17 00:17:25 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 23:52:10 2014. Those might be temporary until the cards get issued. And yes, there are incidents of people selling that card. But they're selling the card itself. Then they'll go back to Social Services and report it lost or stolen so the buyers get to use it in the interim before the bank cancels it. Same deal as far as the credit cards go.The banks (which charge governments out the ass for this service) are the ones who eat the fraud, just like regular credit/debit card fraud. Doesn't cost the government anything as far as that fraud goes. As to the purchases, every transaction is recorded and businesses lose the ability to handle EBT when audits are done and they get caught. Many of them go to jail over it. Thus the problem is nothing like what outraged clueless claim it to be. But hey ... that's news. :) |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Sep 17 02:26:15 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by LuchAAA on Tue Sep 16 23:42:20 2014. Plenty of liberals are realistic about welfare and understand it isn't perfect. They would argue that a program where 95% of the money is well spent is a good program.How many private companies spend 95% of their money wisely? None of the ones I've worked for do much better than that. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Sep 17 08:18:09 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 17 00:17:25 2014. Add to that the fact that someone receiving cash grants (aid to families) can get cash from their card at any ATM, like in a casino. Not its intended purpose, but...... |
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Posted by pd11604 on Wed Sep 17 22:52:54 2014, in response to Re: Myth vs. Fact, posted by Easy on Tue Sep 16 23:52:10 2014. paper vouchers may be WIC payments - women with infant children? |
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