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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 15:37:15 2014 But nearly beaten unconscious by Brown moments before firing his gun.(Of course, that's from a Fox news story so it will immediately be dismissed by the resident libs) Almost blinded and beaten |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 20:03:38 2014, in response to Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 15:37:15 2014. I'll step up to the plate ... Headline says "says source" ... first graf adds "a source close to the department's top brass" ... second graf says "said the insider" ... third graf says "the well-placed source" and additional grafs continue saying pretty much the same.This isn't DoD here, name the source since you went out of your way to pretty much pin it down to at best a handful of possibilities. I wouldn't consider it a story though until we have attribution - somebody will and should put their name to that headline given the seriousness of this matter. It's just how proper journalism is done. Ferguson is not the Pentagon. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 20 21:28:19 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 20:03:38 2014. So far it's been hearsay and it's bizarre how they'd withhold the idea that he got the shit kicked out of him behind the convenience store tape, the eye damage, etc. You'd think they would have announced around the time they quoted him saying how his life is fucked up now, blah blah blah.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 21:50:04 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 20 21:28:19 2014. There's so much contradictory shit from all sides in this political circus that I really don't want to care what happened one way or the other until the facts are in. But what I *do* care about right now is that youth get educated in how not to have this happen to THEM.Right now, I'll settle for that until the bullshit stops. |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 20 22:13:35 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 21:50:04 2014. There's a kid getting shot by the cops every other day in this country. This one hit front page cuz...I dunno why. But yeah, kids need people skills education.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 22:21:04 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 20 22:13:35 2014. I'm about to post another sad example of stupid in cop's faces. :( |
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Posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 20 22:47:26 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Fred G on Wed Aug 20 22:13:35 2014. If the cop were black we likely would have read about in somewhere south of page 8. If the life on one black kid is so important then with 90% of the black kids being shot by other black kids, why are there no marches or protests for justice in Chicago or LA? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 07:00:22 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Aug 20 20:03:38 2014. Ever hear the phrase "off the record"? There's a reason sources don't always get named until later. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 08:44:28 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 07:00:22 2014. Nope ... never heard of it. LOL!And there's a reason why you don't publish unless you have attribution. When you do so, it's called an "agenda" and it reflects poorly on your rag. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 11:21:53 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 07:00:22 2014. Once published, it's ON the record. Better be able to answer for it or it's opinion, which has no place in reporting. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 15:13:50 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 11:21:53 2014. No, bingbong, information is given deep background or off the record all the time. The source isn't identified, i.e., the source ID is off the record. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 15:24:00 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 15:13:50 2014. Which makes the report invalid. Don't you get it? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 17:57:03 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 15:24:00 2014. False. Geez, sometimes I wonder how you cross the street without an adult holding your hand. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 17:59:35 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 15:24:00 2014. Anonymous sources {from Wikipedia}The identity of anonymous sources is sometimes revealed to senior editors or a news organization's lawyers, who would be considered bound by the same confidentiality. (Lawyers are generally protected from subpoena in these cases by attorney/client privilege.) Legal staff may need to give counsel about whether it is advisable to publish certain information, or about court proceedings that may attempt to learn confidential information. Senior editors are in the loop to prevent reporters from fabricating non-existent anonymous sources and to provide a second opinion about how to use the information obtained, how or how not to identify sources, and whether other options should be pursued. The use of anonymous sources has always been controversial. Some news outlets insist that anonymous sources are the only way to obtain certain information, while others hold strict prohibitions against the use of unnamed sources at all times.[1] News organizations may impose safeguards, such as requiring that information from an anonymous source be corroborated by a second source before it can be printed. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 19:57:26 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 17:59:35 2014. Right there in bold at the end. Bam!Not a problem for "conservative media" though ... if it's bad news, it goes. Do you know what the word "corroborated" means? Being a lawyer and all? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Aug 21 20:17:20 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 17:59:35 2014. So now we have dueling anonymous sources who say the opposite of each other? Which to believe? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 20:34:35 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by AlM on Thu Aug 21 20:17:20 2014. The one who's willing to give attribution for publication. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 21:46:17 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 19:57:26 2014. Yes, right there in bold print and the previous line. Some news outlets permit reporting information obtained from anonymous sources. Other outlets require corroboration before printing while still others don't allow it at all.Obviously the Post-Dispatch permits it, so your point is...what? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 22:08:29 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 21:46:17 2014. Post Dispatch is substandard. I thought that would have been pretty clear. Sorry ... I was taught journalism in the 1960's. Accept no substitutes. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 22:10:55 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 21:46:17 2014. And BTW ... conservative judges, legislating from the bench have blown that entire concept of confidentiality both for a news organization's attorneys and management as well as reporters' notes that were never used in the story at all. With THAT stuff gone now, you might as well just NAME the "anonymous source" because if the story is worth printing at all, somebody's going to get a judge to print it anyway. :( |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 22:34:14 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 21:46:17 2014. And those "news outlets" are NOT credible. Get it yet? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 22:39:56 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 22:34:14 2014. Nah ... it's the ones that FOLLOW the rules that aren't. :-\ |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 08:01:04 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Aug 21 22:10:55 2014. Name the anonymous source and they never speak with you again. St. Louis isn't that big a town; lose your sources and you might as well pack up and move. Better to wait for a judge to force you to reveal who it is. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 08:02:18 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 22:34:14 2014. And what news outlets might those be? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 08:55:16 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 08:01:04 2014. Which is precisely the reason why you choose not to publish until the source is in the clear. Your case there only indicates that it's much more significant. I mean how many people are "close" to a small town chief? At best, it's three shifts. Fingered. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 10:23:41 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 08:55:16 2014. Not necessarily; the source could be an investigator for the prosecutors office, who are usually ex-cops. The source could also be in another police department. If you recall, multiple town police departments; the St. Louis County PD; and the Missouri Highway Patrol were all on the job. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 14:42:05 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 10:23:41 2014. Or it could just be a reporter who made shit up, or grabbed it off a blog. I mean don't mind me here, I was trained in journalism back when all of that was the rule. I wouldn't want to do it nowadays at all. I was always one who recorded the actuality and when my story went on air or into print, I named names, had photos or video or sound and stuck to only what I had as absolute PROOF.That's why I love it here ... none of that required! :) |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 16:10:50 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 14:42:05 2014. Here too, if it turns out the reporter made it all up then his/her career is finished. Too much at stake in this story to make shit up out of whole cloth. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 22 16:15:35 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Thu Aug 21 17:57:03 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 22 16:15:49 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by bingbong on Thu Aug 21 15:24:00 2014. No it doesn't. |
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Posted by AlM on Fri Aug 22 16:27:26 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 16:10:50 2014. How about if the reporter got it from a single source (no corroboration) and the source was lying or mistaken? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 22 17:11:41 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by AlM on Fri Aug 22 16:27:26 2014. Then the reporter should be fired and ostracized from the journalism community. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Aug 22 17:15:52 2014, in response to Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 15:37:15 2014. dont trust the source of informationwhy was no police report filed on this |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 17:53:48 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 22 17:11:41 2014. Spot on. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 19:29:03 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 16:10:50 2014. Not really ... they just move along to another gig. Seen that happen too. :(After all, look at employment law these days and what happens if an employer (even a newspaper) provides any information beyond "yeah, they worked here" and perhaps their salary. We've hired people who fucked us, but we're not allowed to warn their next employer because we could be sued if the former employee found out we said boo. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 19:29:54 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 17:53:48 2014. Doesn't work that way though. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Aug 22 20:55:22 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 22 16:15:49 2014. Hearsay is NOT legitimate news. |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 21:42:50 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 19:29:03 2014. Yup. The "law" of unintended consequences. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 22:05:05 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 21:42:50 2014. Just the cost of doing business. Good news is they're somebody else's problem now. :) |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 22 22:26:24 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 19:29:03 2014. So it's unlikely that a person would ever get a bad reference? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 22:30:01 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 22 22:26:24 2014. The only bad references that matter come up in the background check. The more you pay, the more you know because the independent contractors that do this stuff aren't the former employer that kept you out of work. On new employees, there's also the intimidation factor of hooking them up to some ohmmeters ("lie detectors") but again, that's all outside stuff intended to shake them down.But as an employer, if you GIVE a bad reference, prepare to be sued. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 22 22:34:29 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 22:30:01 2014. When I worked for Big Engineering, we simply didn't give references. I carried that policy through when I started my own shop.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 22:38:16 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 22 22:34:29 2014. Our policy is simply to confirm salary and dates of employment. Everything else is "proprietary and not available for disclosure." References? Nope. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 22 22:39:49 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 22 08:01:04 2014. I sincerely hope the source wasn't from within the dept bc that would throw the intergrity of their investigation into some serious question. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 23:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 22 22:39:49 2014. THANKS for making me look again ... "as it turns out" I was carefully watching the bottom of my Firefox browser as the OP's link was loading and curiously enough, it doesn't actually go to Faux News. It goes to a site called "foxnews.demdex.net" and then pulls up a page that doesn't really look like FOX News. So ...I looked up demdex.net because I'd never heard of them. WELL ... gets mighty interesting from there! https://www.google.com/search?q=demdex.net&gws_rd=ssl Hmmmm ... |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 23:19:06 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by FtGreeneG on Fri Aug 22 22:39:49 2014. And as to the journalistic values, ASSUMING that it really IS Fox News, you hit the nail on the head as to why REAL journalists wouldn't bite for such a "our source" thing owing to the seriousness of the story itself. Before the 24 hour talking neck channels, journalism had some integrity and would sit on a story until it was FULLY cooked and you had actual names you could publish instead of rumors and inuendo.It's perfectly fine to do that kind of shit if it's a Kim Cardashian (dunno if I spelled that right, don't care) story, but when it comes to HARD news, you just didn't publish until you could put a real name on the spokesfish. And given all this, I actually HOPE it completely screws the investigation so that cops will shoot the reporters first. :) |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Aug 23 01:38:34 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 23:19:06 2014. Yeah it's a shame we can't even trust these "News Channels" anymore to provide real journalism. The editor shouldn't even let that mess on the air. |
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Posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Aug 23 03:46:43 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by Train Dude on Wed Aug 20 22:47:26 2014. Not true that is a common false narrative by blowhards that either don't know what they are talking about or worse lie about it. Of course people take it as truth. There's been numerous marches and programs dealing with black on black crime by organizations. It's not reported nearly as much that's an issue with the media. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 23 08:04:32 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 23:15:18 2014. Loved the "demdex at Amazon" link. Gotta sell it somewhere...... |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Aug 23 08:17:00 2014, in response to Re: Ferguson cop not only almost blinded in one eye, posted by FtGreeneG on Sat Aug 23 03:46:43 2014. Look at a number of those here. The usual suspects have been harping on this all week |
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