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Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:15:05 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 17:35:22 2014. No more than saying Michael Brown is a hardened criminal. |
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Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:20:44 2014, in response to Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 18 17:52:59 2014. Yes, I know. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 22:55:09 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:15:05 2014. Why did you call him a hardened criminal? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 02:23:00 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 19:15:05 2014. he is not |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 19 06:10:53 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Aug 18 14:07:39 2014. I HATE to jump in to this convo, as I enjoy the sidelines better, BUT Cartoon Network also censors and thinks some cartoons are "offensive" that I enjoyed watching as a kid. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 19 06:15:42 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Sun Aug 17 19:52:23 2014. "Victim"? OR "Expired assailant"? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 19 06:22:08 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Fred G on Sun Aug 17 21:25:46 2014. He didn't have it coming for stealing some cigars. I agree with you. He had it coming due to the nature of his actions just prior to and up to his death with his interactions with the police IF the police and some witness versions are true.... |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 07:20:18 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 19 06:22:08 2014. what where his actions ? hands up in the air no weapons ?so shoot him first and ask questions later ? this is justice ? |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 07:29:06 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 07:20:18 2014. More than a dozen witnesses have testified to the police that Michael Brown rushed the officer. If this is confirmed the officer could have feared for his life. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 07:30:05 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 07:29:06 2014. rushed the officer ? with his hands up in the air and from a distance ?LOL this is cold blodded MURDER |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 07:45:36 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Train Dude on Mon Aug 18 22:55:09 2014. You , and/or your RW buddies did. |
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Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotorman is as DUMB as HE LOOKS |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:04:25 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 16 10:26:12 2014. No.......cause Fred ain't stupid like you are! |
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Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:08:03 2014, in response to More Proof That jesse jackson Is A Racist, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 16 10:04:52 2014. Why do you hate White people now...since you used a racist slur against White people? eh? do you have any other mental problems other than the existing ones? Mr. Jackson calls the cops rioters with good reason since they are now into combat/war patrol. Most of the looters are not even from the Ferguson community...they are outsiders looking for negative opportunities. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:18:03 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 14:38:08 2014. No it's not. Answer the question. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:19:18 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Mon Aug 18 14:26:25 2014. Pwn3d |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:21:35 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 14:40:56 2014. Wrong. There is a discussion. And it's not anything like you described it. |
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Iraq Vet: Ferguson Police Have Better Armor and Weaponry than We Had in War |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:23:11 2014, in response to More Proof That jesse jackson Is A Racist, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Sat Aug 16 10:04:52 2014. http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/iraq-vet-ferguson-police-have-better-armor-and-weaponry-we-had-warBillMoyers.com / By Rafael Noboa y Rivera Iraq Vet: Ferguson Police Have Better Armor and Weaponry than We Had in War Why are police better armed than soldiers? August 18, 2014 | In my year in Iraq, I lost track of how many times my guys asked me why so many Iraqis viewed us with distrust when we were trying to help them. The question would arise while we were walking the beat with Iraqi police officers, manning checkpoints, or in our forward operating base after we went off-duty. Invariably, my response went something like this: “Imagine that you’re back home, OK? Suddenly, you got a whole mess of Iraqi soldiers in your town. They’re all over the place, doing the same things we’re doing right now. How do you think you’d react? You’d probably get pretty hot, right?” The notion that my illustration would become anything other than that scarcely crossed my mind. Yet, here we are in August of 2014, 10 years after I got back from Iraq, and the police agencies that have patrolled the streets of Ferguson, Missouri – until they were relieved of duty on Thursday amid public outrage over their heavy-handed tactics — have the kind of armor and weaponry that my men and I would have envied in the performance of our duties in an actual combat zone. Let me repeat that: the police in Ferguson have better armor and weaponry than my men and I did in the middle of a war. And Ferguson isn’t alone — police departments across the US are armed for war. The gear and weaponry worn by police officers in Ferguson aren’t just clothing and tools. They’re meant to accomplish certain tasks, and they will elicit certain responses from the people who encounter them. When my men and I donned our helmets and body armor, and carried our weapons out on patrol, we were at war. Our gear wasn’t just protective, it was meant to be downright unwelcoming. That was the point — it’s combat gear, not a costume you wear to look “tactical.” But it goes beyond that. Nearly 40 years ago, Leonard Berkowitz and Anthony LePage conducted the first study aiming to demonstrate something called “the weapons effect.” As Berkowitz pithily said, “Guns not only permit violence, they can stimulate it as well. The finger pulls the trigger, but the trigger may also be pulling the finger.” There’s truth in those words. I distinctly recall, even now, the small jolt of energy that ran through my body as I readied my weapon, put on my body armor and settled my helmet upon my head. Part of it was anxiety; nothing tenses you up more than not knowing where danger lies. Part of it, though, was anticipation; the motivation needed to face danger, and perhaps death, squarely in the eye. I remember the deep breaths I took to settle my spirits, but it was hard not to swagger a little bit while walking. I recollect that fraction of my soul making my eyes dart around, seeking out anyone who would challenge my authority. That’s when the discipline and all those countless hours of training kicked in. Military discipline hones you to a point where you can acknowledge fear, yet not give in to it. That’s the difference between taking control of a dangerous situation — and lessening tensions; or losing control of the situation, and creating an even bigger disaster. It’s that kind of training and discipline that’s been markedly absent from everything we saw this week in Ferguson. We saw police officers pointing weapons at civilians, firing their “less than lethal” ammunition in wild abandon, and posing ostentatiously on armored vehicles. I contrast those images with the photos I took of myself in Iraq; helmet off, smiling towards the camera, my weapon within easy reach but never in the frame. I count on one hand the number of times I raised my weapon in order to use it, and my ears still ring with the tongue-lashing my first sergeant delivered to a lieutenant whose weapon went off accidentally. That’s how seriously we take this stuff in the military. It certainly doesn’t look like the police in Ferguson took it that seriously. And that matters, because it made a bad situation utterly disastrous. Our rules of engagement (ROE) — the instructions for how to deal with enemy forces, never mind Iraqi civilians — were far more restrictive than what we’re seeing from the police in Ferguson. Primary among them: Treat all civilians and their property with respect and dignity. This was drilled into our heads even before we left for Iraq. We were all issued “culture smart cards” intended to help us deal with Iraqi civilians. These cards — I still have mine — contained tips like, “Appear relaxed and friendly; social interaction is critical in building trust,” and “Be gracious; do not appear anxious to leave.” We’ve seen a lot of things from the police response in Ferguson, but respect and dignity for the people living there aren’t among them. That lack of respect for civilians only serves to inflame the situation even more, and to me, at least, is indicative of a lack of discipline and professionalism. There is no need to bring this level of militarization — or any level, really — to deal with what have been largely peaceful protests. One of the things we learned while we trained in crowd control techniques was that our mere presence could make an already-tense situation much more difficult. The emphasis, therefore, was on finding ways to de-escalate the situation in whatever manner we could, as quickly as possible. This meant that we handled much more dangerous situations in Samarra, Balad, and Kirkuk with far less violence than we’ve seen from the police over the last few days. Our training emphasized the prevention of confrontation and violence, rather than exacerbating it. From “Civil Disturbances (ATP 3-39.33)”, the Army’s crowd control manual (PDF): Winning in this environment is not like winning in combat. US forces may appear to be invincible and formidable, but they risk being portrayed as oppressors. Thus, US forces can lose by appearing to win. Winning in this environment is about seizing and holding the moral high ground. US forces must maintain the authority and legitimacy of what they are doing. I look at the police in Ferguson, and all I can do is shake my head. If the primary goal of the police was to win the trust of local citizens in order to calm the roiling waters caused by the murder of Mike Brown, then they have utterly failed in accomplishing that goal. |
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Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 19 08:24:26 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 15:42:09 2014. No, it's okay when you jump to conclusions and not wait for the facts when you want to spread your propaganda, but if it's not a message you want spread, you claim the opposite. But we are all used to this with you. |
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Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotormanIs A Racist |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:28:20 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is A Racist, posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 17 03:30:34 2014. IAWTP...Edwards! |
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Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:29:36 2014, in response to Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 15:06:34 2014. "Somehow"??? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:30:48 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 19 08:24:26 2014. "No, it's okay when you jump to conclusions and not wait for the facts when you want to spread your propaganda, but if it's not a message you want spread, you claim the opposite. But we are all used to this with you."rofl lmao |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Aug 19 08:50:00 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Aug 19 06:10:53 2014. No worries ... my statement was more directed at the value of news channels in general, indicating that we're all better off watching cartoons instead of talking necks. :) |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 09:12:40 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 07:30:05 2014. Why would a dozen witnesses testify to that account if it didn't happen? |
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Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 09:21:13 2014, in response to Re: Oh Bingy! was: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:29:36 2014. The mysteries of the intratubes...... |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 09:25:33 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 17:28:07 2014. No, it's not. Jeff clearly stated that the cop did not have to know about the robbery. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 09:26:02 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 07:45:36 2014. Where? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 09:27:43 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 07:29:06 2014. " If this is confirmed the officer could have feared for his life."Why? if the person had a gun....then yes....if not, then NO. No weapon was found on Michael Brown. The cop had a gun at all times. My question is this...why aim the gun to kill someone? why not aim and shoot a few times at the legs to stop the person? can you explain this? the cop was a veteran of the force, not a rookie. So again, why did the cop shoot 6 times to kill Mr. Brown and not at his legs to stop him from running? Why did a young man who had no criminal record want to start trouble with the police? |
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Posted by AlM on Tue Aug 19 09:40:08 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 09:12:40 2014. You are overstating what is known. You only have a second hand report that there are a dozen witnesses, much less what exactly each of them corroborates. Even if there are a dozen witnesses, it's quite likely that individual witnesses might only corroborate pieces of the story. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 10:05:00 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 19 09:40:08 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 10:11:40 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 09:27:43 2014. The officer could not have known that while he was being rushed. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:12:20 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 09:26:02 2014. Here. |
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Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotorman is as DUMB as HE LOOKS |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 19 10:14:30 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotorman is as DUMB as HE LOOKS, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:04:25 2014. Ignore. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 10:14:43 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:12:20 2014. Be more specific. |
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Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 19 10:24:45 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:08:03 2014. Ignore. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:50:38 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:18:03 2014. Yes it is. And that's all the response it deserves. |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:51:13 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 08:21:35 2014. LOL! See what I'm saying? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 10:55:56 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Mon Aug 18 14:40:56 2014. What character assassination? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:00:09 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:50:38 2014. No it's not. Answer the question. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 19 12:01:58 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by bingbong on Tue Aug 19 10:51:13 2014. No. It's like I said. |
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Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is A Racist |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 19 12:18:25 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:08:03 2014. "Hymietown" isn't racist, streetcarracist? |
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Re: Iraq Vet: Ferguson Police Have Better Armor and Weaponry than We Had in War |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 12:23:38 2014, in response to Iraq Vet: Ferguson Police Have Better Armor and Weaponry than We Had in War, posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 08:23:11 2014. In 2004 the troops were not nearly as well outfitted as they were in 2010. What was given to local police departments is equipment used by our troops late in the war. The author's premise is specious but not surprising given the site where it was published, a very left-wing media outlet. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 12:24:44 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by AlM on Tue Aug 19 09:40:08 2014. I'm not, but we'll know in the fullness of time. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 12:25:07 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 10:11:40 2014. Exactly. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 12:51:32 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 09:12:40 2014. bullshit |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:29:40 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Aug 19 10:11:40 2014. what was the cop suppose to know? you claiming the cop has no common sense then? if someone rushes you unarmed, then shoot for the legs. The cop shot 6 times...he could have shot 6 times at the legs and stopped him from running. |
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Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:29:47 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by Dave on Tue Aug 19 12:25:07 2014. -1 |
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Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotorman is as DUMB as HE LOOKS |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:30:22 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That ChicagoMotorman is as DUMB as HE LOOKS, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 19 10:14:30 2014. No.......cause Fred ain't stupid like you are! |
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Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:31:51 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is NOT A Racist, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue Aug 19 10:24:45 2014. No.......cause Fred ain't stupid like you are! |
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Re: More Proof That olog-hai Is A Racist |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:35:05 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That jesse jackson Is A Racist, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 19 12:18:25 2014. ""Hymietown" isn't racist, streetcarracist? "Romney isn't a racist? eh? why not ask some of your relatives at the next KKK rally what some of the real answers are. Stop being such an idiot-boy for the conservative trash of your little town of Crapville. |
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Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Aug 19 13:35:30 2014, in response to Re: More Proof That fred is a white uncle tom, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Tue Aug 19 12:51:32 2014. iawtp |
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