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Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:41:36 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 15 14:40:43 2014. The antisemitic streetcarman won't listen to you. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:49:29 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 15 14:25:12 2014. And LBJ was the guy who said "I'll have those (n-word'ers) voting Democratic for the next 200 years", too. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:50:24 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 15 14:26:41 2014. So is he gone yet? |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 15 15:08:02 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:41:36 2014. Had to try. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 15 15:23:51 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 14:37:44 2014. To the game board. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 15 15:24:24 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 14:38:44 2014. Yes I did. He pwn3d you in the post I responded to saying "pwn3d". |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Aug 15 15:37:51 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Mitch45 on Fri Aug 15 15:08:02 2014. Its useless to try and reason with him. He's a raving racist |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri Aug 15 15:44:31 2014, in response to Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Aug 14 09:17:11 2014. I don't like you CHIMM!!!!!Not at all. |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 15 15:47:24 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 15 12:23:02 2014. Poe's Law again. :-) |
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Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Aug 15 15:56:20 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 15 14:25:12 2014. Yeah, King did have his supporters among white liberals. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Aug 15 16:03:21 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 12:56:03 2014. The only advice I want from you is if my hair is on fire and even then I'll go look in the mirror :)Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 15 20:20:24 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Dave on Fri Aug 15 07:33:47 2014. I have no idea what Olog looks like, so I'm immune to that involuntary vision. |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri Aug 15 21:22:17 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Aug 15 08:13:46 2014. Aw, is that your attempt at a joke? How cute!Keep trying and maybe you'll actually figure out how to be funny someday! |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Aug 15 21:49:50 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:38:54 2014. No, he did not. The difference between a true leader and a leader wanna-be. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Aug 16 13:06:40 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 09:00:43 2014. you tell us, you're the master of this here. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Sat Aug 16 13:07:16 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 14:34:36 2014. ahh, so Obama kicked out all the non-racist white members. yea I guess I can see what you're getting at. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Aug 16 13:54:15 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by orange blossom special on Sat Aug 16 13:07:16 2014. You mean like Harry Reid, who said Obama was too "light-skinned" and didn't speak a "negro dialect"? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 18 10:16:12 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Black Community Rather than Blame Cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 15 14:49:29 2014. So did NIXON....they all used the "n" word. Doesn't mean it was right to begin with. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Aug 18 14:08:44 2014, in response to Re: Moral Decay of Olog - Hai, posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Aug 18 10:16:12 2014. Who said anything about Nixon? Mentioning Nixon does not undo what LBJ did.But since you bring him up, he was a big-government liberal just like his predecessor. He would have been a "moderate" if he were in the Democratic Party though. |
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Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:05:18 2014, in response to Re:WHY DO WHITES IN AMERICA STILL LOOK AT BLACKS DIFFERENTLY AND NOT AS EQUALS?, posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Aug 15 09:00:43 2014. This author is a former state senator from St. Louis, MO. It is interesting what he wrote vs. what you wrote about your 28 years in that place.From the NYTIMES.COM: In Ferguson, Black Town, White Power By JEFF SMITH AUG. 17, 2014 POLITICS, wrote the political scientist Harold Lasswell in 1936, is about “who gets what, when, and how.” If you want to understand the racial power disparities we’ve seen in Ferguson, Mo., understand that it’s not only about black and white. It’s about green. Back in 1876, the city of St. Louis made a fateful decision. Tired of providing services to the outlying areas, the city cordoned itself off, separating from St. Louis County. It’s a decision the city came to regret. Most Rust Belt cities have bled population since the 1960s, but few have been as badly damaged as St. Louis City, which since 1970 has lost almost as much of its population as Detroit. This exodus has left a ring of mostly middle-class suburbs around an urban core plagued by entrenched poverty. White flight from the city mostly ended in the 1980s; since then, blacks have left the inner city for suburbs such as Ferguson in the area of St. Louis County known as North County. Ferguson’s demographics have shifted rapidly: in 1990, it was 74 percent white and 25 percent black; in 2000, 52 percent black and 45 percent white; by 2010, 67 percent black and 29 percent white. The region’s fragmentation isn’t limited to the odd case of a city shedding its county. St. Louis County contains 90 municipalities, most with their own city hall and police force. Many rely on revenue generated from traffic tickets and related fines. According to a study by the St. Louis nonprofit Better Together, Ferguson receives nearly one-quarter of its revenue from court fees; for some surrounding towns it approaches 50 percent. Municipal reliance on revenue generated from traffic stops adds pressure to make more of them. One town, Sycamore Hills, has stationed a radar-gun-wielding police officer on its 250-foot northbound stretch of Interstate. With primarily white police forces that rely disproportionately on traffic citation revenue, blacks are pulled over, cited and arrested in numbers far exceeding their population share, according to a recent report from Missouri’s attorney general. In Ferguson last year, 86 percent of stops, 92 percent of searches and 93 percent of arrests were of black people — despite the fact that police officers were far less likely to find contraband on black drivers (22 percent versus 34 percent of whites). This worsens inequality, as struggling blacks do more to fund local government than relatively affluent whites. By contrast, consider the city: After decades of methodically building political power, blacks in St. Louis City elected a black mayor in 1993 and black aldermen or alderwomen in nearly half the city’s wards, and hold two of three seats on the powerful Board of Estimate and Apportionment, which must approve all city contracts. Well-established churches, Democratic ward organizations and other civic institutions mobilize voters in black wards. But because blacks have reached the suburbs in significant numbers only over the past 15 years or so, fewer suburban black communities have deeply ingrained civic organizations. That helps explain why majority-black Ferguson has a virtually all-white power structure: a white mayor; a school board with six white members and one Hispanic, which recently suspended a highly regarded young black superintendent who then resigned; a City Council with just one black member; and a 6 percent black police force. Many North County towns — and inner-ring suburbs nationally — resemble Ferguson. Longtime white residents have consolidated power, continuing to dominate the City Councils and school boards despite sweeping demographic change. They have retained control of patronage jobs and municipal contracts awarded to allies. The North County Labor Club, whose overwhelmingly white constituent unions (plumbers, pipe fitters, electrical workers, sprinkler fitters) have benefited from these arrangements, operates a potent voter-turnout operation that backs white candidates over black upstarts. The more municipal contracts an organization receives, the more generously it can fund re-election campaigns. Construction, waste and other long-term contracts with private firms have traditionally excluded blacks from the ownership side and, usually, the work force as well. But there’s a potential solution that could help Ferguson reinvest in itself and also help African-Americans compete for a bigger share of the pie: consolidation with surrounding municipalities, many of which face similar challenges. The St. Louis region has seen some preliminary support for the idea, with resistance concentrated in smaller political units whose leaders are loath to surrender control. Consolidation would help strapped North County communities avoid using such a high percentage of their resources for expensive public safety overhead, such as fire trucks. It could also empower the black citizens of Ferguson. Blacks incrementally gained power in St. Louis City in part because its size facilitates broader coalitions and alliances. Another benefit of consolidation is the increased political talent pool. Many leaders just aren’t interested in running a tiny municipality. In shrinking cities, politics is often a nasty, zero-sum game. But consolidation could create economies of scale, increase borrowing capacity to expand economic opportunity, reduce economic pressures that inflame racial tension, and smash up the old boys’ network that has long ruled much of North County. When the state patrol and the national television cameras leave Ferguson, its residents will still be talking about how they can move forward. And they may be ready to expand the conversation so that it’s not just about black and white, but green. Jeff Smith is an assistant professor of urban policy at the New School and a former Missouri state senator from St. Louis. http://ago.mo.gov/VehicleStops/2013/reports/161.pdf |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:11:02 2014, in response to Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:05:18 2014. Nothing there I haven't said so what's your point? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 20 12:14:03 2014, in response to Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:05:18 2014. it's about Ferguson as a diversion.there's a good chance the cop acted in self-defense. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:16:07 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 20 12:14:03 2014. there's a good chance the cop acted in self-defense.Yes. The broken eye socket, if real, is worth a dozen witnesses. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:18:01 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:11:02 2014. You said more about Jobs and less about the White power structure....WHY? afraid to discuss that part? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 20 12:18:24 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:16:07 2014. Yes. The broken eye socket, if real, is worth a dozen witnesses.People will say another cop punched him in the eye at the station house to come up with a self defense story. THIW. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:21:03 2014, in response to Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:05:18 2014. One way of solving the problem of municipalities getting revenue from citations is to pass a law that requires the municipal police to enforce the law, but every cent of revenue goes to the state itself, with no distributions whatsoever in proportion to revenue so collected. Thus local municipalities would only have incentive to enforce laws that actually increase safety and quality of life for the municipality. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:21:21 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 20 12:18:24 2014. WRONG..did you see my post as to why the media portray Whites differently than Blacks when Whites are the accused and Blacks are the victims. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:21:59 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:18:01 2014. It's lack of jobs that led to the demographic shift. Lowering property values and businesses leaving as people left led to decrease tax revenues for Ferguson. The city is recovering lost revenues though ticketing in part to keep the police budget where it is. There's nothing in the article that doesn't confirm what I posted 10 days ago. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:22:53 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:16:07 2014. Why do you think it's not real? Are both St. Louis County PD and the District Attorney's office lying about it? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:23:44 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:22:53 2014. Where did he say it's not real? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:24:08 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:16:07 2014. I can show you a screen capture of the x-ray, but you'd probably debate whether or not it came from the cop. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:24:39 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:23:44 2014. Yes. The broken eye socket, if real, is worth a dozen witnesses. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:25:07 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:21:03 2014. Then where would they get the missed revenue from? increase the local taxes to make up for the short-fall? That puts more of a financial burden on people with limited incomes. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:25:16 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:21:03 2014. Excellent suggestion...and it doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of passing! |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:25:49 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:24:39 2014. Subjunctive mood. I express no opinion on whether it's real or not. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:26:05 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:25:07 2014. Good question. It's not an easy problem to resolve. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:26:10 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:24:08 2014. There is a problem with that debate? |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:26:37 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:25:49 2014. OK, my misunderstanding then. Sorry for that. |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:27:15 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:26:10 2014. If an x-ray shows a fractured orbit, how do you debate whether or not it's for real? |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:27:57 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:26:37 2014. Is that a "real" sorry? |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:30:31 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:24:08 2014. Much of what is posted here turns out to be nonsense. Just because you posted it instead of streetcarman doesn't mean I'm going to give it instant 100% credibility.Consider for example your thread about Obama not going to the funeral of the general killed in Afghanistan. That was full of lies. That doesn't mean I think your posts on Ferguson are full of lies. It just means I'll wait to see. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:31:41 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:26:05 2014. No...that's why this country is so messed up with local town and school financing. All the burden is placed at some point on the local people. When the local economy is steady, then things are OK for paying for this and that. It is when shit happens and there is no "golden bag of money" to help pay for stuff when locals have no jobs and very little pay to afford to pay taxes to the local gov. or schools. That is why today you have the economic inequality at the local levels. |
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Posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:32:13 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:27:15 2014. As you yourself pointed out, it might not be an x-ray of the police officer. Is that likely? No. Is it possible? Yes. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:32:47 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:27:15 2014. Depending on WHO is really belongs to. The validity question of the day. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:33:13 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:25:07 2014. If the municipality can't sustain itself through taxation or user fees, it should disincorporate.The problem with law enforcement as revenue is that it results in perverse incentive. Look at speeding tickets as an example: Assume that it is actually unsafe to drive over 30 MPH. For some reason, everyone agrees and never drives over 30 MPH. The municipality is safer as a consequence, but does not make one cent from speeding tickets. So is this an optimal scenario? If you actually care about safety, then it is because no one is doing anything dangerous. Using law enforcement as a revenue tool incentivizes the enactment of laws that don't serve any useful public policy purpose. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 20 12:33:19 2014, in response to Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:05:18 2014. IAWTP |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:33:26 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by AlM on Wed Aug 20 12:32:13 2014. iawtp |
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Posted by Dave on Wed Aug 20 12:34:16 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:27:57 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 12:34:37 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Aug 20 12:31:41 2014. Yes, exactly. Part of this is a form of "soft" segregation. |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Wed Aug 20 12:34:41 2014, in response to Re: Say DAVE, why is this so about Ferguson, MO?, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Aug 20 12:14:03 2014. Bullshit |
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