|
|
| Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar (1173451) | |
 |
|
| Home > OTChat | |
[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]
|
Page 17 of 22 |
||
|
| (1182912) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:32:03 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sun May 11 13:52:53 2014. (If you aim a missile at a mosque full of civilians, you have intentionally killed them, and saying you only "meant" to kill one guy does not change this fact.)What do you want Israel to do differently in light of the fact that it takes many measures to avoid collateral damage to civilians and that Hamas operates from within civilian infrastructure, including mosques and hospitals? Occupation and annexation of Palestinian territories. I've already explained why this is a false charge and how Israel isn't occupying anything (you can call them disputed if you would wish but occupation isn't accurate). Enforcing an apartheid system via wall in the West Bank. Sorry, but Israel is not an apartheid state at the present time. The security fence was built in response to terror attacks against Israeli civilians (where is your sympathy for them?) and such attacks dropped to nearly zero after the security fence was completed. It could have been built without cutting off farmers from their land in some cases, but it was necessary in order to maintain the safety of Israeli civilians. Israel might be a racist state (vis a vis the Arabs and even some Jews), but it is not an apartheid state. Blockade of Gaza. That blocks weaponry from reaching Gaza where it will be fired right back at Israel. I wasn't aware access to rocket building supplies is a human right. If you sincerely believe all of those aspects of Israeli policy are not justified, you truly do not support Israel's right to defend itself. |
|
|
| (1182914) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:33:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:11:33 2014. For starters, Israel and Iran are fighting a proxy war of sorts right now. Things are "quiet" right now but don't think that if Israel adopts your ideas that somehow the war will just end. |
|
|
| (1182916) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:35:50 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:13:11 2014. You have yet to acknowledge that Israel uses missiles which are not known for their precise targeting or killing capabilities.I don't acknowledge things that aren't true. I've addressed pretty much everything else here in other replies. |
|
|
| (1182917) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:37:53 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 19:45:15 2014. And if Israel picks "A" and kills any civilians in the process, you're up in arms about the civilians who lost their lives. |
|
|
| (1182918) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:38:23 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:21:30 2014. Israel is defending itself and you are objecting to Israel exercising that right. |
|
|
| (1182919) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:39:30 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:26:40 2014. North Korea and Israel have little to do with each other. Syrian and Jordanian policies vis a vis Israel are actually pretty significant parts of the discussion in light of how they treat Palestinian refugees and have done little to promote the creation of a Palestinian state. |
|
|
| (1182920) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:40:54 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:29:05 2014. A ground invasion? Cutting off the supply chain until the people are so upset they overthrow Hamas? Considering the accuracy of Israeli missiles, I think the current strategy puts the fewest Gaza residents AND Israeli soldiers at risk. |
|
|
| (1182925) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:02:13 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:40:54 2014. I'm still waiting. |
|
|
| (1182929) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:20:53 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:02:13 2014. What makes you think I respect him more or less than you?Both of you would destroy Israel in your own way if the policies you envision were actually implemented. |
|
|
| (1182930) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:27:12 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 11:45:52 2014. JTF.orgHe complains about being banned from Israel. I wonder what part of America he's from? |
|
|
| (1182931) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:30:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:20:53 2014. You answer him a lot more than you answer me. You advocate the contraction of Israel, and I'm the one who wants to destry Israel? |
|
|
| (1182932) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:34:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 11:45:52 2014. He is Jewish. He's not allowed in Israel, yet Yasser Arafat who murdered thousands of Jews? |
|
|
| (1182933) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:35:23 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:27:12 2014. Kew Gardens, Queens, New York. |
|
|
| (1182934) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:35:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:30:20 2014. I (and most people) want Israel to be a Jewish, democratic state. Your proposals don't fit in with those ideals. |
|
|
| (1182935) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:36:25 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:34:33 2014. Terrorism is not a Jewish value, he deserves to be blacklisted. |
|
|
| (1182936) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:38:50 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:35:23 2014. He might still be on Public Access.When my friend moved to LI in 1994 he could not longer get JTF.org television show so I taped it for him. That's how I found out about the show. |
|
|
| (1182938) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:43:05 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:36:25 2014. CHIM/M wins because you defend Arafat. |
|
|
| (1182942) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:49:50 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:35:52 2014. So do I. |
|
|
| (1182943) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:50:29 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:36:25 2014. But not Yessar Arafat? |
|
|
| (1182944) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:51:02 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:38:50 2014. He no longer is. |
|
|
| (1182945) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:52:17 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:43:05 2014. Thank you Luch. You are a mensch. |
|
|
| (1182946) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:54:59 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:50:29 2014. Israel threatened to deny him the ability to return to Ramallah if he left Israel for travel. Furthermore, denying Arafat the right to travel to the West Bank is far more complicated to handle politically than blacklisting a few extremist right wing Jews. |
|
|
| (1182947) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:55:09 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:43:05 2014. I most definitely do not. |
|
|
| (1182948) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:55:37 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:49:50 2014. Then why do you support terrorism to achieve your goals? |
|
|
| (1182949) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:57:06 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:54:59 2014. WHAT? What is so complicated not allowing arafat into Israel? |
|
|
| (1182950) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:58:37 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:55:37 2014. I am not a the one who supports terrorism. You support and condone so-called palestinians, who are the real terrorists. |
|
|
| (1182951) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:59:18 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 13:55:09 2014. Could have fooled me. |
|
|
| (1182998) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 15:38:21 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 12 13:43:05 2014. The guy who said he's got no use for Jews? (Yes, he sure did say that.) Not a thing the man said ever indicated anything besides a Judenrein "Palestinian" state "from the river to the sea". |
|
|
| (1183023) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon May 12 17:38:42 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:23:37 2014. I think it was either you or chimm. Too long ago to remember. |
|
|
| (1183047) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 21:01:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Mon May 12 13:57:06 2014. You're right, it isn't that complicated. Israel would be subject to legitimate disdain from the international community as opposed to the illegitimate disdain it already receives. |
|
|
| (1183052) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon May 12 21:19:21 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 21:01:51 2014. No matter what you do, Jews and Israel will never be respected. |
|
|
| (1183054) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by chicagomotorman on Mon May 12 21:20:33 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 21:01:51 2014. No matter what you do, Jews and Israel will never be respected. |
|
|
| (1183062) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 21:44:52 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by chicagomotorman on Mon May 12 21:20:33 2014. The only thing the terrorists respect is force. And by force, that means force enough to destroy them.And for those that still don't know the definition of Zionism, it means to even have a Jewish state of Israel in any form. |
|
|
| (1183109) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Edwards! on Tue May 13 04:04:26 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 12 21:44:52 2014. Silly..Israel has ALWAYS been there..and always will be.No matter how much they fight..God will slap them down. |
|
|
| (1183126) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:21:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 11:18:26 2014. No, LOL means laughing out loud. Silly boy. |
|
|
| (1183128) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:25:51 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 11:47:45 2014. No I'm not. I already explained why those three either don't count (because they share your views) or aren't of consequence to you since they don't take you seriously.Regardless, why in the heck would you want to be mentioned in the same breath as Selkirk or bingbong? |
|
|
| (1183129) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:29:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:08:59 2014. Huh? It's a fact. What are you talking about?No, I certainly did not deny that there. We've already been through this many times and I thought you actually made progress in understanding it but now it looks like you regressed. |
|
|
| (1183130) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:30:00 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:10:21 2014. Nope. You just have no legitimate response. |
|
|
| (1183131) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:31:25 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:12:32 2014. Where did I mention wars being fought today in that post? |
|
|
| (1183132) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:32:16 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 12:16:15 2014. It was VERY stupid. O |
|
|
| (1183133) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:37:04 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:34:56 2014. Thanks Captain Obvious... |
|
|
| (1183134) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:37:58 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Sat May 10 13:21:30 2014. //END THREAD. |
|
|
| (1183147) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Tue May 13 08:58:46 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 13 04:04:26 2014. You don't really mean that? |
|
|
| (1183168) | |
Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 13 10:37:14 2014, in response to Re: “Palestinian” university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Edwards! on Tue May 13 04:04:26 2014. Israel has ALWAYS been thereEh? There would have been no need for a Balfour Declaration if so. The region was called "Southern Syria" before the Ottoman Empire fell. |
|
|
| (1183378) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 16:41:20 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Tue Apr 15 08:37:07 2014. You are the one advocating violence by taking the side of terrorists.I can spot at least two lies in this statement and I suspect I could tease out a third with a little effort. |
|
|
| (1183379) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 16:43:39 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Jeff Rosen on Mon Apr 21 08:31:48 2014. Ah, so the official blog of the IDF is your attempt at an unbiased source? |
|
|
| (1183393) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 17:52:46 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 13 07:21:20 2014. ...and you took my post completely literally.Good night everyone! We're done here! Danik en saniva ni karat sa milana Nilet Kametera. |
|
|
| (1183399) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 18:09:04 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 12:32:03 2014. What do you want Israel to do differently...Not intentionally targeting civilians would be a start. I've already explained why this is a false charge and how Israel isn't occupying anything (you can call them disputed if you would wish but occupation isn't accurate). Calling the territories "disputed" does not change the physical facts of the occupation. Israel built a wall in the West Bank which cut off a chunk of Palestinian territory, thus effectively annexing it for Israel. Settlements go up on Palestinian territory. No matter what you call it, Israel is occupying it. Sorry, but Israel is not an apartheid state at the present time. It could have been built without cutting off farmers from their land in some cases, but it was necessary in order to maintain the safety of Israeli civilians. You do realise that apartheid means "aparthood," right? Normally that means plain old segregation. Israel went for the gusto and built a giant wall. However... Israel might be a racist state (vis a vis the Arabs and even some Jews), but it is not an apartheid state. Since you admit that Israel is racist, you've already conceded the point and quibbling over the semantic details is unnecessary. I wasn't aware access to rocket building supplies is a human right. No, but access to house building supplies is. Telling an entire population that they must be kept in poverty because otherwise they might be able to afford weapons is disgusting and it's a violation of human rights and international law. If you sincerely believe all of those aspects of Israeli policy are not justified, you truly do not support Israel's right to defend itself. Oh god, you're just as annoying as the American nationalists who declare that opposing America's policy of killing Pakistani children with drones or imprisoning and torturing innocent people without oversight is tantamount to opposing America's right to defend itself. |
|
|
| (1183402) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 18:14:14 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Mon May 12 11:45:11 2014. Israel. As long as they're Jewish.That's the double standard I've been criticising. |
|
|
| (1183407) | |
Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar |
|
|
Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed May 14 18:30:01 2014, in response to Re: Palestinian university students’ trip to Auschwitz causes uproar, posted by Nilet on Wed May 14 18:09:04 2014. Not intentionally targeting civilians would be a start. That's already being done. What is next on the list? Calling the territories "disputed" does not change the physical facts of the occupation. Israel built a wall in the West Bank which cut off a chunk of Palestinian territory, thus effectively annexing it for Israel. Settlements go up on Palestinian territory. No matter what you call it, Israel is occupying it. Israel is "occupying" land that no other country has ever maintained sovereignty over, and therefore, the "occupation" is not illegal under international law. Palestine has never existed as a nation, therefore, Israel cannot occupy it. You do realise that apartheid means "aparthood," right? Normally that means plain old segregation. Israel went for the gusto and built a giant wall. Your claims about the purpose of the "wall" are also false. The security fence was not built so that Israel could annex land in the West Bank. Since you admit that Israel is racist, you've already conceded the point and quibbling over the semantic details is unnecessary. Racism is not the same as segregation. Israel can be a racist state while not being an apartheid state. No, but access to house building supplies is. Telling an entire population that they must be kept in poverty because otherwise they might be able to afford weapons is disgusting and it's a violation of human rights and international law. No country would accept the status quo that Israel faces where it gives supplies meant for housing to a terrorist entity that then turns them into weaponry. Oh god, you're just as annoying as the American nationalists who declare that opposing America's policy of killing Pakistani children with drones or imprisoning and torturing innocent people without oversight is tantamount to opposing America's right to defend itself. You have demonstrated for weeks now that you don't give a shit about the nuances of the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict, but rather, you've already made up your mind about who is responsible, who is at fault, and could care less about the facts on the ground. |
|
|
|
Page 17 of 22 |
||