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Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 12:24:57 2014 Greta van Susternan? Hannity's?Hue Hue Hue Hue Hue your pal, Fred |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Apr 24 13:00:06 2014, in response to Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 12:24:57 2014. From the NYTIMES.COM:A Defiant Rancher Savors the Audience That Rallied to His Side By ADAM NAGOURNEYAPRIL 23, 2014 BUNKERVILLE, Nev. — Cliven Bundy stood by the Virgin River up the road from the armed checkpoint at the driveway of his ranch, signing autographs and posing for pictures. For 55 minutes, Mr. Bundy held forth to a clutch of supporters about his views on the troubled state of America — the overreaching federal government, the harassment of Western ranchers, the societal upheaval caused by abortion, even musing about whether slavery was so bad. Most of all, Mr. Bundy, 67, who was wearing a broad-brimmed white cowboy hat against the hot afternoon sun, recounted the success of “we the people” — gesturing to the 50 supporters, some armed with handguns and rifles, standing in a semicircle before him — at chasing away Bureau of Land Management rangers who, acting on a court order, tried to confiscate 500 cattle owned by Mr. Bundy, who has been illegally grazing his herd on public land since 1993. “They don’t have the guts enough to try to start that again for a few years,” Mr. Bundy said in an interview. Mr. Bundy’s standoff with federal rangers — propelled into the national spotlight in part by steady coverage by Fox News — has highlighted sharp divisions over the power of the federal government and the rights of landowners in places like this desert stretch of Nevada, where resentment of Washington and its sprawling ownership of Western land has long run deep. His cause has won support from Senator Rand Paul, the libertarian Republican from Kentucky who is likely to run for president. Senator Dean Heller, a Nevada Republican, referred to Mr. Bundy’s supporters as “patriots.” Senator Harry Reid, the Nevada Democrat who is the Senate majority leader and has a long history of pushing for protection of public lands, denounced the rancher’s supporters as “domestic terrorists.” The dispute spilled over this week into Texas, where Greg Abbott, the attorney general and a Republican running for governor, challenged the Bureau of Land Management on reports that it was looking to claim thousands of acres along the Red River. Continue reading the main story For now, Mr. Bundy appears to have won, forcing the government to back down after its rangers were met with armed Bundy supporters this month. “The gather is now over,” said Craig Leff, a deputy assistant director with the Bureau of Land Management. “Our focus is pursuing this matter administratively and judicially.” But if the federal government has moved on, Mr. Bundy — a father of 14 and a registered Republican — has not. He said he would continue holding a daily news conference; on Saturday, it drew one reporter and one photographer, so Mr. Bundy used the time to officiate at what was in effect a town meeting with supporters, discussing, in a long, loping discourse, the prevalence of abortion, the abuses of welfare and his views on race. “I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. Continue reading the main story “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” A spokesman for Mr. Paul, informed of Mr. Bundy’s remarks, said the senator was not available for immediate comment. Chandler Smith, a spokesman for Mr. Heller, said that the senator “completely disagrees with Mr. Bundy’s appalling and racist statements, and condemns them in the most strenuous way.” A spokeswoman for Mr. Abbott, Laura Bean, said that the letter he wrote “was regarding a dispute in Texas and is in no way related to the dispute in Nevada.” The crowds may be beginning to dwindle, but for much of the past two weeks, here at Mr. Bundy’s ranch in Bunkerville, 80 miles northeast of Las Vegas, the rancher has been a celebrity, drawing hundreds of supporters, including dozens of militia members, many carrying sidearms, and members of Oath Keepers, a militia group, who have embraced him as a symbol of their anger and a bulwark against federal abuse. He was honored at a celebratory party on Friday night attended by 1,500 people, who wore “domestic terrorist” name tags, listened to cowboy poetry and ate hamburgers, hot dogs and Bundy beef. “This is the beginning of taking America back,” said Shawna Cox, who had come from Kanab, Utah, to support him. Mr. Bundy, whose family has grazed cattle here since they homesteaded in the 1870s, owes the government more than $1 million in grazing fees. He stopped paying after the bureau ordered him to restrict the periods when his herd roamed the 600,000-acre Gold Butte area as part of an effort to protect the endangered desert tortoise. Mr. Bundy’s case happened to heat up around the time that Mr. Paul, building the foundation for a presidential campaign, struck a chord with some members of the Republican Party with warnings about governmental overreach. Mr. Paul’s latest book is titled “Government Bullies: How Everyday Americans Are Being Harassed, Abused and Imprisoned by the Feds.” In the Bundy standoff, Mr. Paul has criticized the federal government as overreaching with its use of regulations, but cautioned against any violence or lawbreaking. Rob Mrowka, a senior scientist with the Center for Biological Diversity, which has been battling to get Mr. Bundy to move his cattle in deference to the tortoises, said the standoff had come to symbolize divisions across the country about the role of government, particularly here in the West. “It’s symbolic of the polarization and divide within the country that we saw starting with the Obama election,” he said. “This is merely a surrogate for bigger issue and topic in America today — it’s the whole idea of federalism versus states.” The federal government owns 85 percent of the land in Nevada, a statistic repeatedly noted by Mr. Bundy’s supporters as they denounced the actions of the government. Six cattle, including two that had Bundy brands, died during the attempt to collect the animals. “Western states don’t have the control over their land that Eastern states have over their land,” said Ivan Jones, 60, a brick mason who came here from Northern California. “Someone like the Bundys, they have been here for generations, before the B.L.M. was ever created, using this land to graze their animals. And the B.L.M. comes in and changes the rule. A small little rancher trying to make a living and they come in like big bullies.” Toby Purvis, 51, an electrician who came here from Farmington, N.M., called the bureau operation “a land grab.” “This is happening all over the country right now,” he said. Mr. Bundy’s case is clearly divisive. About 16,000 ranchers across the country pay relatively modest fees for their herds to use public land. The Nevada Cattlemen’s Association, while expressing sympathy with some of Mr. Bundy’s complaints, pointedly did not endorse his methods. “This should not be confused with civil disobedience,” Mr. Mrowka said. “This is outright anarchy going on here.” Mr. Bundy disputes the legitimacy of both the bureau and the courts that have ruled against him. “I’ll be damned if I’m going to honor a federal court that has no jurisdiction or authority or arresting power over we the people,” he said. Still, as Mr. Bundy surveyed the dusty landscape last weekend, the only sign of law enforcement was Brad Rogers, the sheriff of Elkhart County, Ind., who had flown 1,800 miles to stand in solidarity with the embattled rancher. With the rangers gone, “I don’t feel any threat — that’s a big change,” Mr. Bundy said. At the same time, he said he saw no reason for his supporters to leave. “As long as we are getting together as a group and as long as we feel good about being here, we are going to be here,” he said. One of Mr. Bundy’s sons, Ammon, 38, a car fleet manager from Phoenix, said his father had taught the federal government a lesson. “We ran them out of here,” he said, sitting in a trailer set up near one of the protesters’ camp sites. “We were serious. We weren’t playing around.” But Alan O’Neill, who had a similar struggle with Mr. Bundy when he was superintendent of the Lake Mead National Recreation Area, expressed concern that the government had backed down. “He calls himself a patriot, and says he loves America,” Mr. O’Neill said. “And yet he says he won’t follow any federal laws. You just can’t let this go by, or everybody is going to be like, ‘If Bundy can break the law, why can’t I?’ ” |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 24 13:10:35 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by streetcarman1 on Thu Apr 24 13:00:06 2014. The government needs to sue and seize assets from this deadbeat. He owes America, and therefore Americans, over a million dollars in unpaid grazing fees. No patriot ignores the laws of this country. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 17:41:13 2014, in response to Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 12:24:57 2014. Patriot to Repugnant in less than a weekYour pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Thu Apr 24 19:38:34 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 17:41:13 2014. Gotta give the guy credit, he's at least sticking to what he said, after briefly retracting it. Looks like his "supporters" don't mind either. What's really going to be scary, though, is if it turns out the public at large don't give a shit about the hate speech, and don't see the need to drop kick the public figures who support it. :-( |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 20:20:00 2014, in response to Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 12:24:57 2014. Is using a Spanish word "racism" now? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 22:04:27 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Apr 24 19:38:34 2014. I thought he lost a lot of his "supporters" after his comments? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:10:12 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by 3-9 on Thu Apr 24 19:38:34 2014. What "hate speech"? Go and find the whole thing and the context is not about hate. And is it illegal to use a Spanish word? |
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Posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 22:16:24 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:10:12 2014. Is that a serious question or are you just being deliberately obtuse? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:33:08 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 22:16:24 2014. Have you heard the whole thing? It's on here if you want to hear it; down the page if you want to ignore the actual post just based on the website. I would go with the recommendation of listening to what is said beforehand instead of believing the NYT out of hand, never mind wackjob further-left websites that pull stuff out of context. (That's not necessarily being "obtuse".) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:58:53 2014, in response to Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 12:24:57 2014. Reid also used the word "negro", remember? (There's the reminder.)Here's Rand's response, since you wanted to know. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:18:58 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 20:20:00 2014. Why don't you ask Fox? They're the ones who turned tail and ran when their titular anti-government folk hero turned into the Racist Rancher. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:21:58 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:33:08 2014. That doesn't make his remarks seem any less racist, it just garnishes his racism with right wing batshit conspiracy theories.But as you don't have a problem with his remarks, then it's safe to say you agree that African Americans were better off under slavery than they are today. Maybe you want to be a little less obtuse. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 23:25:57 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:21:58 2014. That *is* the conservative agenda ... and they want to put whites and everybody else under that too. :( |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 23:26:59 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:58:53 2014. "Negro" isn't the issue here.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:35:02 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 23:26:59 2014. Nope; it's the BLM. Them turtle protecting/killing types that also kill cattle.Go listen to the whole thing; it's online. The word that he and Reid both said is the worst thing he said. Maybe it's a Nevada thing; ask Reid. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:37:36 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 23:25:57 2014. Stop lying. That's the liberal agenda.AAMOF, Bundy's quite liberal socially; more like libertarian. And I bet you didn't listen to all of his remarks, which the NYT twisted as they always do; kinda like what they do to Pope Francis. The only thing that one can get Bundy on is the "knee-grow" thing, like Harry Reid had no problem uttering until he was caught. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:40:25 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:21:58 2014. That doesn't make his remarks seem any less racistYou didn't listen to it, did you. But as you don't have a problem with his remarks Assuming, aintcha? But then again, you didn't listen, so that's all you are going to do. then it's safe to say you agree that African Americans were better off under slavery than they are today He didn't say that he felt that way. If you had listened, you'd know that. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:42:17 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:37:36 2014. So this is the NY Times "twisting" his words as he says he believes African Americans were better off learning to pick cotton as slaves than living in government housing? |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 23:46:40 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:35:02 2014. I think the part where he wondered if they weren't better off as slaves than on government subsidy was a lot worse. Maybe you don't know much about black slavery in America but being a slave isn't better than what they have now.As for the BLM, whatever the issue is with them and the Endangered Species Act doesn't give anyone the right to graze on public land for free. Pay up, Bundy. Speaking of government subsidy... your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:48:19 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:42:17 2014. Completely out of context; they certainly did twist his words, and now you proved you didn't listen to the whole thing, which is on the RWN website. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:50:33 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 23:46:40 2014. Anyone who heard the whole thing would know that is not his viewpoint. Try listening to the whole thing.As for the BLM, whatever the issue is with them and the Endangered Species Act doesn't give anyone the right to graze on public land for free I see you still believe Big Brother. Look deeper into it. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:52:08 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:40:25 2014. You didn't listen to it, did you.I have better things to do than listen to the Racist Rancher rant on for an hour. And it doesn't matter if the right wing idiot who shot that happened to miss the Racist Rancher's racist statements, other people present didn't miss them. The Racist Rancher told us his outlook on race relations and he'd rather have African Americans in slavery than government housing. There's no twisting, no manipulation there. You can watch the video and hear exactly what he said, in all of two minutes. He didn't say that he felt that way. Ah, so even you didn't listen to him. He said: "I've often wondered are they better off as slaves, picking cotton... or are they better off under government subsidies?"Still want to stand by the Racist Rancher, Alan? |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:55:20 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:48:19 2014. Why would anyone want to sit through an hour of ranting by this ignorant bigot? And you cannot claim a site called "Right Wing News" is going to provide anything like an unbiased assessment of his racist remarks.But go ahead, tell us what he really said. It appears to mean so much to you to defend this racist. You clearly watched the whole video, so tell us what specifically he says that puts this all in context and completely excuses his statement that African Americans are better off as slaves than being subject to government subsidies. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:55:52 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:48:19 2014. He also said "colored people". Very bad.He said that he did not want those people "to go back to that point" (being enslaved). Why did the NYT leave that out? Libertarianism is not "right wing" too. |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Apr 24 23:56:04 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 20:20:00 2014. Wait, what?!? It isn't racist to suggest that black people would be better off under slavery?“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do. “And because they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do?” he asked. “They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.” |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:56:49 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:52:08 2014. OK, stay ignorant.He said before that sliced-up piece of tape that he did not want black people "to go back to that point"—being enslaved. |
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Posted by WillD on Thu Apr 24 23:58:56 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Thu Apr 24 23:46:40 2014. Speaking of government subsidy..Haha, that's an excellent point! So not only is the Racist Rancher an ignorant bigot, he's a goddamn hypocrite too. Leave it to a fool like Olog to bury himself trying to defend this idiot. Here's a hint Alan, if Fox is sprinting away from one of their poster boys, you should probably be close behind. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 23:58:57 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:37:36 2014. Uh-huh ... so then if it's a vast liberal conspiracy, then why don't you "conservatives" stick it up their rump and see to it that the middle class starts earning a decent income again? Right now, even Canada is kicking our asses in that regard. As to those poor folks out in San Francisco who now have a better minimum wage, the reason why there's no butthurt about it out there is that they can actually afford to pay more and still come out ahead.Henry Ford, for all of his faults, realized that if you paid a living wage, people could afford to buy your stuff. Newsflash: VietNAM is doing better than we are. So if it's the liberal's fault then you sure have some serious work to do. I'd get on with it. For 'Murrica! :) |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:58:58 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Easy on Thu Apr 24 23:56:04 2014. It isn't racist to suggest that black people would be better off under slavery?Those are out of context quotes. Don't forget to slam him for saying "colored people" too. He said immediately before that that he didn't want them "to go back to that point"—meaning before 1864. Please listen to the whole thing. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:00:10 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:50:33 2014. Here's a good timelineAre they grazing on their own land? No. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:00:43 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Apr 24 23:58:57 2014. Right now, even Canada is kicking our asses in that regardYou do know who's running Canada right now, right? It ain't the Trudeau-ites. BTW, Bundy also used the term "colored people". Get the crucifix out for him, don't forget. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:01:25 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:00:10 2014. That's a timelie.The feds don't own the land. They don't have the right, besides. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:01:36 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:00:43 2014. Ah! So "colored people" is a sign of enlightenment. Got it. LOL! |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Apr 25 00:03:35 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:58:58 2014. What would be the non-racist context for often wondering whether black people weren't better off under slavery? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:03:36 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:01:36 2014. No, quite the opposite. Unless that's how you feel.What is it with those Nevada folk and those bad words? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:05:56 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 25 00:03:35 2014. Well as we all know, private slavery is better than government slavery :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 25 00:06:04 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Dave on Thu Apr 24 22:04:27 2014. Politicians, yeah, but I was also including the people hanging out on his ranch. They don't seem to be put off. |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:09:15 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:01:25 2014. your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:09:21 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Easy on Fri Apr 25 00:03:35 2014. He's not wondering that. Did you listen to the whole thing or not?Of course, if the US government didn't give black people chattel slavery or welfare dependence slavery as their sole choices, then Bundy's wrong, obviously. |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by WillD on Fri Apr 25 00:09:42 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:56:49 2014. So he makes a weak statement about not wanting them to go back to that point. You're assuming he meant slavery, but he does not say that. Then he very specifically says they're better off under slavery than in government housing projects. You have no case to be made here. He's an ignorant bigot and you're a fool for defending him. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:09:42 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:00:10 2014. I wonder if our righties read that and noticed the little bit about the BOMBINGS? So here's terrorism and they SUPPORT it. :-\ |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:10:23 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 25 00:06:04 2014. Harry Reid's the same as Bundy in this respect. |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:11:01 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 25 00:06:04 2014. He lost Hannity. Once you lose Hannity...your pal, Fred |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:11:53 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 23:56:49 2014. If that tape was edited up, still no sale. Reverend Wright got edited up too and it's all good, and nobody had a problem with that. Welcome to the new gold standard in historical documentation, cuts both ways. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:12:14 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:09:42 2014. They forgot about that part. Bombings, plural.your pal, Fred |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 25 00:12:17 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Apr 24 22:10:12 2014. Using the word Negro was probably the least offensive thing in his speech. |
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Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:13:09 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Fred G on Fri Apr 25 00:09:15 2014. Very Soviet-ish.
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:14:11 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Cliven Bundy's Alleged Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by 3-9 on Fri Apr 25 00:12:17 2014. Did you listen to the whole thing, though? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Apr 25 00:14:46 2014, in response to Re: Which Condemnation Of Harry Reid's Racism Will Rand Paul Plagiarize?, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Apr 25 00:03:36 2014. GOP overdose without benefit of Obamacare I suspect. :) |
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