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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 26 22:18:05 2014, in response to Re: The Freeper ResponseRe: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 26 20:42:07 2014. You mean the Constitution that's being shredded daily? OK then. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Feb 26 22:19:25 2014, in response to Re: The Freeper ResponseRe: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Dave on Wed Feb 26 22:17:16 2014. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 00:13:46 2014, in response to Re: The Freeper ResponseRe: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Edwards! on Wed Feb 26 21:32:52 2014. not only will we pull away from religion, we will almost criminalize it.demonize it. ridicule it. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:38:18 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 26 20:06:45 2014. Actually, I had a friend who posted the same thing on Facebook:"Maybe I just watch too much House of Cards, but it seems like Jan Brewer found people to pass this shit up to her, so she could let it ride out in the press, cause all this drama, knowing all along she would veto it and in the end, boost her own approval ratings and everyone praises her. Well, that's how Frank Underwood would play it out." |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 00:39:50 2014, in response to Re: The Freeper ResponseRe: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 00:13:46 2014. No, not "we". They. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 00:41:16 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:38:18 2014. are you looking for a fight?You have to lose 13 pounds for your wedding and I hope you have given up all flavored drinks by now. Lift weights. You'll drop a waist size in a month. I'm usually right when I post here. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:44:12 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 00:41:16 2014. WTF?I posted that I knew someone that agreed with you. What kind of fight am I looking for? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 00:49:19 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:38:18 2014. Welcome to ... "the game" ... quite possible, but also possible that there are THAT many morons in your legislature and she pulled an "oh shit" there. All comes down to McCain and Flake and what their part in the game was. Do you think they actually LIKE Brewer and would play along? If I had to investigate this as a story, that's where I'd start. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:54:27 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 00:49:19 2014. I think Flake and McCain think that Brewer is an idiot, but she tends to listen to what they say.Our legislature has ALWAYS been filled with a bunch of "morons" and our governors haven't been much better. Evan Mecham and Fife Symington were criminals. The best governor we have had was Napolitano (although she left the state completely and totally broke). |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 00:59:41 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:54:27 2014. IF you're right, that would cause me to believe that it wasn't her game because if they're not all that fond of her, then they would definitely sit on the sidelines and watch her burn. This is the kind of political awareness you need for journalism, you need to not only follow the money, but also figure out who gains and who loses politically from any move they make.Yeah, know about Mecham and Symington ... old hands at that game. :) And I can understand AZ going broke no matter who was in there - the state's always been the tennis court for banksters and other crooks. But yeah, based on what you're saying that story looks a bit thin there. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 01:10:22 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 00:59:41 2014. I don't believe that McCain and Flake are all that fond of Brewer. I do believe that they like her because she can be controlled. Nothing that Brewer says or does is actually Brewer. She has "handlers" that tell her what to do or say.Scott Smith is the best GOP candidate for governor. He's also the guy who I believe Flake and McCain like the most. He does his own thinking though. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:12:14 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 00:44:12 2014. Let me tell you something Tony. I'm sick of the constant attacks by you, JayZeeBMT, dand124, Easy, SUBWAYMAN, 12-9, cortelyounext, Newkirk Plaza David, Spider-Pig, WMATAGMO, Selkirk, and Fishbowl 5301. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 01:16:57 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:12:14 2014. I'm not attacking you.I'm tired, and this isn't fun tonight, so have a good night. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:18:33 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 01:16:57 2014. you started it. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 01:19:40 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 01:10:22 2014. Well yeah ... the whole thing about being republican and female is that Stepford Wives thing. I mean ... Palin, the one with the crazy eyes from Minnesota and the few others allowed on stage, so that fits. Heh.But I don't see this helping her either way - those to the left of center see her as a tool and the ones on the right that she's depending on just wrote her off for sacrilege, Olog-style. Then again, GOP'ers ain't so bright so I'm sure this was somebody's brain cramp. After all, look how Palin won't get off the #@%#&*@$ stage neither.(grin) But majors like those two can't afford to waste political capital and if they were involved, they did. After all, they're already tagged as RINOs, what they did here isn't going to help them get re-elected with the mainstreamers. I don't see the point there. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 01:20:32 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:12:14 2014. Wait ... you're gonna let EDWARDS slide?< sad face > (grin) |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 27 02:34:13 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Wed Feb 26 20:06:45 2014. Or they knew it would get vetoed anyway so they voted for it to play to their base and now can say "well what the hell it got vetoed".Your pal, Fred |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 02:55:39 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 27 02:34:13 2014. I think same-sex marriage is a hotter issue to "the base" than abortion."The base"(hey, that would be a great name for a wrestling clique), does not care about abortion because the babies are from Democrat communities. They only care that their tax dollars aren't funneled into the practice. Eventually The Church will be forced to rent out their space so same-sex marriages can be performed. One way or the other same-sex marriages will take place in churches in this country in my lifetime. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 03:24:25 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 02:55:39 2014. I dunno ... every time I hear "base" out of republicans, I can't help but think of "free basing" which would sorta explain where they're all at the past couple of decades. :( That's what lit Richard Pryor up. :( |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 08:06:26 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 01:16:57 2014. Luch likes to claim he's being attacked. It's part of his internet persona. Don't take it seriously. :) |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 08:40:20 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:12:14 2014. Thanks, LuchAAA! |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Feb 27 08:57:58 2014, in response to Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 26 19:52:27 2014. It's great that the Governor vetoed this bill. IMO, the really disturbing part is that such a hateful bill would even see the light of day. |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 09:22:29 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 01:19:40 2014. There are two halves of the GOP. The "social" conservatives and the "fiscal" conservatives. I believe, in Arizona, the split is about 50/50 in terms of GOP voters. Contrary to the silly bills that come out of the state, other than a pocket of the population that is Mormon, Arizona is not a "Bible thumping" state. Polling suggested that only 20% of the population supported SB1062. Therefore, I don't really think that Brewer really hurt herself politically very much at all. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 09:26:31 2014, in response to Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 26 19:52:27 2014. Yes she made the right choice, but you bleeding hearts will still vilify her. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 09:28:20 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 09:22:29 2014. only 20% of the population supported SB1062.So this is almost all legislators protecting themselves against far-right primary opponents? |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 27 09:29:06 2014, in response to Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by streetcarman1 on Wed Feb 26 19:52:27 2014. Brewer had to veto it even if there was no political pressure. The bill was a poorly-conceived solution to a problem that was identified. A better solution that may have passed muster might have been a DADT for businesses and customers (except for bona fide situations for business which would have their circumstances built into the law). |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 27 09:52:56 2014, in response to Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Feb 27 09:29:06 2014. How can you do DADT if you are going to a baker and asking for a wedding cake for Adam and Steve? There are ways it could have been drafted more artfully. For example, make a pleading standard that essentially follows the framework of McDonnell Douglas Corp. v. Green and its progeny |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 09:55:06 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 27 09:52:56 2014. Well, Adam could come in and order the cake and never mention Steve. Of course, he can't ask for little statues of two guys for the top of the cake in that case. :) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Feb 27 10:35:07 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Feb 27 01:19:40 2014. Well yeah ... the whole thing about being republican and female is that Stepford Wives thing. I mean ... Palin, the one with the crazy eyes from Minnesota and the few others allowed on stage, so that fits. Heh.Unca Selkirk...you forgot the wicked witch of the East lol  |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Feb 27 10:55:58 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 09:55:06 2014. One could always put the statues on top himself. I mean that's the easy part :)your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:01:15 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by mtk52983 on Thu Feb 27 09:52:56 2014. I just wonder how this will play out in other areas of the country where Muslim check-out people at a supermarket, for example, refuse to scan and/or bag pork products. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:06:44 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:01:15 2014. The law is clear on the topic and there are ample precedents. The employer has to make "reasonable" accomodation for a person's religious beliefs.If handling pork is something most employees don't need to do, the employer ought to be able to find a non-pork-related job for the employee. If most people who work there with those skill sets have to handle pork, the employer does not need to try to carve out a non-pork-related job. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:11:40 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:06:44 2014. Meaning? If I'm on a checkout line and the cashier refuses to check out a 12 Oz package of bacon - what is a reasonable accommodation? Inconvenience me by asking me to move to another register or inconvenience me by making me wait until they find a pinch hitter to ring up the bacon? Perhaps there'll be a checkout line with a sign that says "NO PORK OR ALCOHOL PRODUCTS". The prospects of this law were hijacked by the LGBT community but it had other implications. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:22:02 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:11:40 2014. If I'm on a checkout line and the cashier refuses to check out a 12 Oz package of bacon - what is a reasonable accommodation?The store manager calls over another cashier and then, behind the scenes, fires the cashier who refused you service. There is ample precedent for that action and if the store chain is well run the manager will have been trained on how to handle the situation. My company gives its management training on all these kinds of situations. Things like employees who post gory abortion pictures in their cube, or who want to reserve a conference room every week for a prayer meeting. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 11:25:08 2014, in response to Re: Brewer had to (Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062), posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 27 11:11:40 2014. PS. I agree with you that the AZ law could have mucked up what is currently very clear under federal and most state law. I was addressing the current situation nationwide and not what might have been under the AZ law. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:06:42 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 09:26:31 2014. How about the president of Uganda? |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu Feb 27 12:16:26 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 12:06:42 2014. He's better than Idi Amin. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 27 08:06:26 2014. Persona? I'm attacked a lot. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 12:33:37 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 12:24:36 2014. LOL! |
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Posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 13:12:14 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 01:18:33 2014. By mentioning that I know someone else who agreed with you? I was supporting you and not attacking you. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:17:06 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 13:12:14 2014. Forget it. AlM is in a subjunctive mood today. He'll bombard me with "Um, Reading comprehension" and I don't want to deal with it.You have to lose 12 pounds for your wedding and I want you to reach that goal. In March, you will drink water and only water with lunch and dinner. Lentil soup and rice with broccoli for lunch and dinner. Based on your height, you should be on an 1800-2000 calorie a day diet. Is your fiancee losing weight too? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:34:53 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by TonyG on Thu Feb 27 13:12:14 2014. Also, I want to let you know I wiki'd Jan Brewer and found out that she's a Lutheran which is Mainline Protestant.I find Catholics to be the most liberal while Protestants the most conservative. For some reason you never liked her. So today I'll eat Breakfast Coffee 2 muffins with almond butter and preserves 550 calories Apple 75 calories Dinner A Half can lentil soup 200 calories 2 servings rice 300 Broccoli with dressing 150 Dinner B Repeat Dinner A Snack Dried mango |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 13:41:18 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:34:53 2014. Dried mango |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 13:50:09 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:34:53 2014. No, mainline Protestants are absolutely not the most conservative. Take note of Episcopalian (Anglican) Protestants, and of course Methodists. Even the SBC has been sliding liberal. |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 14:05:53 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:17:06 2014. Lentil soup and rice with broccoli...You may not want to deal with AlM or A1M yet I am forced to deal with this nonsense.  |
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Posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 14:15:05 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 14:05:53 2014. Did you hear about the guy who got gunned down by some other guy in the North Ironbound section of Newark? The actor remains at large and is on the run from the Essex County Detective Unit, Newark P.D., and the Newark Joint Tactical Apprehension Team. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Feb 27 14:30:04 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by cortelyounext on Thu Feb 27 13:41:18 2014. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 15:33:03 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 13:34:53 2014. No one cares about your dietary habits. |
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Posted by ChicagoMotorman on Thu Feb 27 15:56:55 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 15:33:03 2014. lol. Me neither. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Feb 27 16:06:00 2014, in response to Re: Ariz. Gov. SAYS NO to SB1062, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Feb 27 15:33:03 2014. yet you, Spider-Pig, are the one who started a thread about your weight loss and diet. How ironic.Tony G is getting married and wants to lose weight and welcomes discussion about weight loss and diet. Thanks for attacking. Not sure why you attacked over something you did yourself but that's what happens when you're Spider-Pig. |
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