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Re: Ology of Terror

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 6 20:55:56 2014, in response to Ology of Terror, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 6 20:48:43 2014.

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Porklips Now! :)



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Re: dand124 is a communist

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 6 20:59:11 2014, in response to Ology of Terror, posted by DAnD124 on Sun Apr 6 20:48:43 2014.

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Well, you took it as rhetorical. It could just be a question as to how many times earthquakes were mentioned in that book too.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 7 01:43:23 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 6 15:17:07 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Funny...
You call someone a"racist"...yet all he been doing is responding to the trash You post....meaning You post the flame bait..someone responds..you call them out on Your bullshit?

Amazing..
We are on to you,you evil son of a bitch.
We see you for exactly what you are..
You..Lunch..and the new bitch Chicagomotorman..are the poison that filter through this place to keep the hate going,as it serves YOUR NEEDS.
Its a damn shame.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by LuchAAA on Mon Apr 7 01:56:46 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 6 15:17:07 2014.

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Edwards! is raciss too.



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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:28:37 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 6 19:02:21 2014.

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:(

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 14:35:40 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Sun Apr 6 19:02:21 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're saying I was involved in it? That's a pretty strong accusation. Are you prepared to back it up?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by AlM on Mon Apr 7 14:38:34 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 14:35:40 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
???

Read his sentences again. He's saying others threatened to sue Dave when you pissed them off.



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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:41:13 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Edwards! on Sun Apr 6 20:39:45 2014.

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Since you capitalised "God," I'm assuming you mean the character by that name in the Torah and the vast quantities of fan fiction based on it (eg, the Bible, the Quran, the Divine Comedy, etc).

In which case, yeah kinda seems a bit far-fetched to assume that a bunch of prescientific tribes would have a greater insight into the nature of the universe than we do today, especially when (a) their explanation has exactly no predictive power, (b) their explanation embodies all of the false assumptions our brains are predisposed to make, and (c) all the people who believe their explanation declare that you're not allowed to question it and claim they're virtuous for believing in spite of the evidence.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:22:55 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 7 14:38:34 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I know what he said. He's said I was the one who pissed them off. Hence my response.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:23:56 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 14:41:13 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Not true at all.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:24:32 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:23:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Which aspect of it is not true?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:29:53 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:24:32 2014.

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At the very least, item c.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:53:39 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 15:29:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Fine.

"God did it" has no predictive power, it embodies all of the false assumptions our brains are predisposed to make, and many people who believe it claim they're virtuous for believing in spite of the evidence.

It's still wrong.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:58:35 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:53:39 2014.

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and many people who believe it claim they're virtuous for believing

Can you cite some examples of that?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 16:16:56 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 15:58:35 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Would the official doctrine of the Catholic Church itself count?

Faith is the theological virtue by which we believe in God and believe all that he has said and revealed to us, and that Holy Church proposes for our belief, because he is truth itself.


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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 16:28:52 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 16:16:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
LMAO!!!!!....okay, so where in that statement does it say anything about "race"?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 7 16:37:06 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by AlM on Mon Apr 7 14:38:34 2014.

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Nope ... not quite. I said that him and OTHERS pissed people off and some dumbass kept threatening Dave that they were going to sue him over it. Meanwhile, Dave never talked to a real attorney who would have told him that he could NOT be held responsible for what other people did on a public forum, settled law since the days of BBS's.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 16:43:02 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 16:28:52 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
What does race have to do with it?

You asked for an example of a religionist considering it a virtue to believe in spite of evidence. I provided.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 16:48:36 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 16:43:02 2014.

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You asked for an example of a religionist considering it a virtue to believe in spite of evidence. I provided.


No, I asked you to provide doctrine that allows for "Blacks" or a race to be descriminated against. Some general phrase in Catholic Doctrine, does not do so.


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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 17:15:27 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Apr 7 16:48:36 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
I said:

"God did it" has no predictive power, it embodies all of the false assumptions our brains are predisposed to make, and many people who believe it claim they're virtuous for believing in spite of the evidence.


You said:

Can you cite some examples of that?


So I did.

If you want an example of religion being used to justify racism, I offered one in the thread about Mississippi's discrimination law here, but that's irrelevant with regard to that law, as it allows business owners to ban anybody by claiming "religious reasons" but does not require them to offer a theological justification for their decision. And this is a different thread.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 18:27:23 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 15:53:39 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Not sure what is "still wrong", but thanks for correcting your mistake.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 18:30:01 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 18:27:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"God did it" as an explanation for anything in the universe is still wrong.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 18:33:45 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Apr 7 16:37:06 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
You're STILL saying I was involved in it? That's a pretty strong accusation. Are you prepared to back it up?


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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 18:36:04 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 18:33:45 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Given the filter you demanded that Larry implement, it's certainly within the realm of plausibility.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 19:42:19 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 18:30:01 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No it's not. It's only wrong if you are specifically asking for the scientific answer.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 19:44:44 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 18:36:04 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Not this shit again. Didn't I already correct you on this?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:36:23 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 19:42:19 2014.

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That's like saying it's only wrong if you're specifically asking for the right answer.

Science has jurisdiction over all questions of fact. And whether or not a given being with particular attributes performed a particular action is a question of fact.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:42:27 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 19:44:44 2014.

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You spewed a bunch of gibberish on the subject, but then I posted your name and watched as the filter magically transformed it into your handle, thus proving beyond dispute that the filter exists.

You did not offer a satisfactory explanation for why Larry might potentially choose to implement a filter exclusively for your benefit, leaving the explanation that you requested it as the most likely option.

But that's only if you're specifically asking for the scientific answer. If you want the religious answer, then your name magically changes into your handle when posted on SubChat and viewed in threaded mode because Blaga the Almost Omnipotent personally edits the content of the packets as they are transmitted from SubChat's server to your browser. Blaga also personally removes any use of the word "cheese" from any page you request, but only if you are truly faithful to hem.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:04:22 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:36:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No, not at all. There's a scientific answer for almost everything. Not all those answers are yet available to us. And those answers do not necessarily conflict with the answers based on any one religion.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:05:56 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 20:42:27 2014.

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No. I already told you: either provide proof that I did what you're saying I did or retract (or reword) your claim.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:14:13 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:04:22 2014.

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No, not at all.

Lolwut?

There's a scientific answer for almost everything. Not all those answers are yet available to us.

Yeah, that's pretty much how science works. The answer is out there someplace, we just need to find it.

And those answers do not necessarily conflict with the answers based on any one religion.

Well, unless that religion claims the universe was created by a person named God. Or that people are reincarnated until they reach a state of nirvana. Or that we're haunted by the souls of dead aliens.

Basically, if it's a religion that is actually practiced by people, it's been debunked by science to an extent proportional to how well its beliefs are defined and inversely proportional to how well its adherents are at moving the goalposts every time someone provides the evidence to disprove their previously stated beliefs.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:16:23 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:05:56 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Fine. There is a filter on SubChat that replaces your name (and only your name) with your handle. This filter exists because Larry installed it at your behest.

Happy?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 7 21:20:23 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 21:04:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
There's a scientific answer for almost everything

Not quite. The beauty of scientific inquiry, is that the answers to questions about nature and the universe...inevitably lead to more questions. Religion tends to deal in absolutes, which often conflicts with scientific methodology.

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Re: Ology of Terror II

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 7 21:40:22 2014, in response to Ology of Terror, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 18 02:51:32 2013.

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New thread

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:53:02 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 7 21:20:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Ah, well, there is, in theory, a scientific answer to everything. That we will never know all of them doesn't change the fact that we theoretically could (if we weren't limited by time, resources, and the irreversibility of certain physical and chemical processes).

The problem with religion isn't that it deals in absolutes, it's that it commits to things that are simply wrong and then refuses to admit it, like ChicagoMotorman swearing up and down that he's not a racist.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 7 22:58:53 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:53:02 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Religion is WRONG...as it was NEVER God's intent for us.
Religion is a MAN MADE DEVICE used to control each other..

Religion has NOTHING to do with Man's hardwired connection to our Creator...in fact..it was created to SEVER that connection..and REPLACE IT with Mankind.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 23:48:13 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Edwards! on Mon Apr 7 22:58:53 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Our "Creator?"

Um...

Men are not manmade.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:27:57 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:14:13 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Of course that's how science works. So what are you disagreeing with? Just because almost all of the world can be defined by science doesn't necessarily mean that a supreme being type thing couldn't behind all the science. That doesn't in any way conflict with the science.

The only religion I'm more than casually familiar with is Judaism so can you please show how that religion has been debunked by science?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:28:48 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by JayZeeBMT on Mon Apr 7 21:20:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wrong. I've already stated, in this thread, that that is not true.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:31:22 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:53:02 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wrong. As I already said, religion is not unquestionable. Or at least Judaism isn't. And I could be mistaken but I think at some other major religions also encourage questioning.

It seems that you and others feel justified to attack something (religion) that you know very little about.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:32:40 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Nilet on Mon Apr 7 21:16:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
No. You have no proof of that statement. Again, either reword or drop it.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 8 08:03:07 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Apr 7 18:27:23 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Do you really think he's worth your time debating with outside of pure entertainment purposes?

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by streetcarman1 on Tue Apr 8 08:59:39 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 6 15:30:03 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
"LMAO!!! Trying to get in good with the new General Secretary? "

Funny who much the other Subchatters are not laughing with YOU....but AT YOU. Try not to think out loud.....you might shatter some of the mirrors in your bunker.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 8 11:06:56 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:27:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
It's not clear how science could ever debunk "An almighty God set up the universe at the big bang and ever since then everything has played out according to his plan."

It's not even clear how you can debunk the much more fundamentalist "Every now and then God vents his wrath on sinful humans in ways that appear to be consistent with natural process," that is, the "abortions cause hurricanes" view of the world.



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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by AlM on Tue Apr 8 11:15:12 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:31:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Catholicism no longer discourages questioning in matters of science. Galilieo would be safe now, or maybe even get to shake the Pope's hand. :)

It would forbid questioning of "Jesus Christ is the son of God" but that's not a matter of science.


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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 8 12:36:22 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 8 08:03:07 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yes, he is. Even if you believed he was some crazy person, that doesn't automatically make any arguments he makes invalid. Olog-hai sometimes posts useful stuff even though he is obviously crazy. You just enjoy condemning Nilet, bingbong, streetcarman and JayZeeBMT and yet you've actively resisted condemning Olog-hai. Your opinion on any of those people is therefore suspect.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Apr 8 12:41:07 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Apr 8 12:36:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Yes, he is. Even if you believed he was some crazy person, that doesn't automatically make any arguments he makes invalid.

This is true, even after I have seen him make some out there arguments. But even a broken clock is right twice a day.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 13:04:12 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:27:57 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Just because almost all of the world can be defined by science doesn't necessarily mean that a supreme being type thing couldn't behind all the science. That doesn't in any way conflict with the science.

Well, because science also says you can't just make sh!t up. If you say it's true, you need to provide evidence that it's true. I would have thought that goes without saying; the idea that the answers are out there and we need to find them kind of precludes the idea that we can just make the answers up.

Perhaps I failed to account for your inability to spot nuance and context.

The only religion I'm more than casually familiar with is Judaism so can you please show how that religion has been debunked by science?

Like most religions, there are many different varieties of Judaism; two Jews might give two completely different answers as to what they believe.

However, given that Judaism kind of invented the idea, I'm assuming that (a) you believe in the existence of a being named God, who (b) created the universe and intervenes in its operation and (c) is more or less human but tends to throw violent tantrums like a spoiled toddler. That conflicts with science's "you can't just make sh!t up" clause.

You believe in a "supreme being?" Offer up evidence of said supreme being. I recommend you start by defining itó I won't discuss the matter unless the goalposts are firmly fixed in place.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 13:09:45 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by AlM on Tue Apr 8 11:15:12 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Catholicism no longer discourages questioning in matters of science. Galilieo would be safe now, or maybe even get to shake the Pope's hand. :)

He's still dead.

And yes, the Catholic Church finally admitted he was rightó in the 1990s when their geocentrism became such an embarrassment they were at risk of losing adherents. So they have finally caught up to the science of the 17th century.

However, they're still creationists, so they haven't reached the 19th yet.

It would forbid questioning of "Jesus Christ is the son of God" but that's not a matter of science.

How is it not?

(a) God exists and has attributes A, B, and C.

(b) Jesus existed and has attributes X, Y, and Z.

(c) God is Jesus's father.

...and since we know they believe it anyway:

(d) Jesus died but came back to life.

These are all questions of fact. They are statements that assert something is. Therefore, they are questions for science.

And science is quite clear on the matter.

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Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals

Posted by Nilet on Tue Apr 8 13:10:30 2014, in response to Re: I hope this low-income housing project fvcks with liberals, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Apr 8 07:31:22 2014.

fiogf49gjkf0d
Wrong. As I already said, religion is not unquestionable. Or at least Judaism isn't.

OK then. Why do you believe it?

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