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Should Jodi Aries Die? |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013 thoughts? |
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Posted by rkba on Thu May 23 02:20:39 2013, in response to Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013. Cute perp. Shame that she's batshit crazy. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 06:51:07 2013, in response to Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013. Tough question. What qualifies for the death penalty these days?One commentator said (before the verdict) that an 8-man, 4-woman jury would never condemn a young woman. And I would argue that what really qualifies her for the death penalty in the public mind wasn't the facts of the case, depraved as they are, but its notoriety. It was a single, if depraved, murder. The very depravity of it, and her attitude after the fact, suggests that she might actually be criminally insane, in the classic sense. And who gets the death penalty these days, and for what crimes? Of the various terrorist acts carried out in this country since the WTC in 1993, I believe we have only had two executions actually carried out: One of the two perpetrators of the Oklahoma City bombing (168 completely innocent people dead) and the older perp of the serial killing spree in the DC area, if you count that as terrorism. Now, standing on its own, I would certainly argue that she merits death, but there's that old "proportionality" argument. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 08:39:27 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 06:51:07 2013. The very depravity of it, and her attitude after the fact, suggests that she might actually be criminally insane, in the classic sense.I don't think she's insane. However as awful as the murder was, it was still a single act. She also has no priors. The death penalty requires aggravating circumstances. I don't see any. I see some mitigating ones such as her history as a victim of abuse. Let her rot for life I say. There are worse people than her who should be on death row and are not. One of the two perpetrators of the Oklahoma City bombing (168 completely innocent people dead) and the older perp of the serial killing spree in the DC area, if you count that as terrorism. There was also that Pakistani guy who shot up CIA HQs in the 90's. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 08:43:50 2013, in response to Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013. Yes. So she won't kill anyone else again. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 08:46:55 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 08:43:50 2013. She donates her hair to cancer patients and started a recycling program in jail. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 08:48:42 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 08:46:55 2013. WTF? So what? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 08:57:46 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 08:39:27 2013. There was also that Pakistani guy who shot up CIA HQs in the 90's.He was tried and executed? In the U.S.? By the U.S. or a State Government? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 08:59:59 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 08:46:55 2013. She didn't recycle her victim, so that seems kind-of "after the fact." |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 09:11:39 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 08:57:46 2013. By the U.S. or a State Government?State. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 09:29:16 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 06:51:07 2013. No. Nobody should.Even SCOTUS ruled that the criminally insane/intellectually handicapped cannot be put to death. They need to clearly understand what they are charged and convicted of doing. These days, just about any minority (not limited to state residents or even US citizens) convicted of a capital crime in Texas, Florida and Virginia will see the death penalty imposed. Many are criminally insane or incapable of understanding what is happening to them. However, in Texas in particular, they have no desire to treat these people (including those with limited intellect, incapable of understanding what they are charged with doing) they'd just as soon murder them under the guise of the state. That's several hundred per year total, the majority from Texas. There is PLENTY of death penalty killing in the US. The only Federal death penalty was the RW terrorist Oklahoma City bomber. The DC killer was tried and sentenced in VA. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 09:30:21 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 09:29:16 2013. I knew you would be against the death penalty. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 23 09:35:50 2013, in response to Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013. Its easy to look at her and see an attractive young woman and think to yourself, why should we end this person's life? But then you have to keep in mind what she did to that poor shmuck and his family. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 09:42:43 2013, in response to Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 02:07:13 2013. Almost.WTF, almost? For convicted capital punishment crimes, sentenced to the Organ Donor Program. Donate parts, marrow , plasma, skin, and blood, until only one lung, 1/2 liver, pancreas and the heart are left. Some time arm, leg, finger, and toes as well as faces and ears will be able to be donated. Jodi's offer for her hair is a start. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 09:47:27 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 09:29:16 2013. The only Federal death penalty was the RW terrorist Oklahoma City bomber.Do you think he deserved it? I do. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 09:50:42 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 09:42:43 2013. You seem to be unfamiliar with the 8th Amendment to the US Constitution. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 09:51:38 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 08:43:50 2013. She won't kill anyone else anyway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 09:53:59 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 09:50:42 2013. He's a sicko on par with Olog-hai and OBS. Of course he's unfamiliar with our most important institutions. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 09:57:07 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 09:51:38 2013. That's not guarenteed. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:02:33 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 09:47:27 2013. No. I am opposed to death penalties. It equates our society with criminals.In addition, I don't think he should have received it as a result of his requesting it. I thought Binladen, had he been apprehended, should live out his life in prison within a constant view of a pig. A very well cared for, pampered pig. McVeigh should have lived out his life imprisoned. He took the coward's way out instead of living with what he did in fullface view. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:09:39 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 09:57:07 2013. It's not guaranteed that a person sentenced to death won't kill anyone else by the time they're executed.And it's not guaranteed that a person executed is guilty. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 10:09:44 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:02:33 2013. They will never kill again. |
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Posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 10:10:51 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:09:39 2013. The swifter the punishment, the less likely hood. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:11:23 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:02:33 2013. I disagree with that. I feel the death penalty should be reserved for traitors, mass murderers and foreign terrorists. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:12:00 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by chicagomotorman on Thu May 23 10:10:51 2013. Impossible because they'd have to exhaust all the appeals. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:22:12 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:02:33 2013. Well, I respect your stand on the death penalty, though I disagree that it equates out society with criminals; I would rather say that it values the murderer's life higher than that of his victims.As to binLaden, some would say that having him live in constant view of a pig is mental torture and disrespects Islam, and I am not being sarcastic or trying to be funny. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:24:08 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 09:50:42 2013. ...and a little too gruesome. I believe in the death penalty in appropriate cases but I don't view prison as an instrument of torture. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:25:23 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 09:29:16 2013. Arias is neither criminally insane nor intellectually handicapped.She's a sociopath who committed murder. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:27:08 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:25:23 2013. She should live out her life in a general population high security prison without parole. |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 10:27:32 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:24:08 2013. Neither does the Supreme Court. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:28:55 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 23 10:11:23 2013. and certain very egregious crimes where the perp has no remorse and/or his/her respect for human life is so nonexistent that the chances that they will kill again while in prison is unacceptably high. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:31:29 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu May 23 09:35:50 2013. People kill people every day.I set a higher bar than simple murder for the death penalty (which I otherwise support). |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:33:04 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 09:42:43 2013. For convicted capital punishment crimes, sentenced to the Organ Donor Program.Donate parts, marrow , plasma, skin, and blood, until only one lung, 1/2 liver, pancreas and the heart are left. Some time arm, leg, finger, and toes as well as faces and ears will be able to be donated. Jodi's offer for her hair is a start. Hi Scrabbleship. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 23 10:35:57 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:22:12 2013. As to binLaden, some would say that having him live in constant view of a pig is mental torture and disrespects Islam, and I am not being sarcastic or trying to be funny.They would be wrong. Forcing him to eat pork every day would be disrespectful to Islam. Either would be ignorant and pointless. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 10:39:50 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 09:50:42 2013. Direct that statement to the W.H. and DOJ. |
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Posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 10:43:55 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 23 10:35:57 2013. Think of the poor Pig, what kind of future is that? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 10:46:05 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 10:39:50 2013. ??? |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:47:42 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by Avid Reader on Thu May 23 10:43:55 2013. The pig gets pampered, it lives happily.The convict gets some perspective on getting over oneself. It isn't disrespectful to anyone or any faith. Plenty in the Islamic world function in sight of pigs every day. They just won't eat them. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:50:21 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 23 10:35:57 2013. As to binLaden, some would say that having him live in constant view of a pig is mental torture and disrespects Islam, and I am not being sarcastic or trying to be funny.They would be wrong. Forcing him to eat pork every day would be disrespectful to Islam. Either would be ignorant and pointless. That's interesting. I believe the military now serves appropriate meals to soldiers who have religious restrictions, but back in the day they never did. Jewish soldiers were not given Kosher meals or otherwise accommodated, even where they were involuntarily conscripted and had no resource for their own food (like, in training or in the field). In fact, Jewish soldiers received pamphlets from coreligionist organizations saying what you could and could not eat to keep Kosher. So, did the military disrespect Judiasm every day? Or Islam or Hinduism or any other religion that had religionists serving their nation? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:51:54 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:31:29 2013. You know that many men would feel it was a waste of a perfectly good woman. Perhaps she could be released to the custody of one of those, if you took her knives away? |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 23 10:52:12 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 10:47:42 2013. It isn't disrespectful to anyone or any faith. Plenty in the Islamic world function in sight of pigs every day. They just won't eat them.Then what's the point? |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:55:50 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 10:25:23 2013. She's a sociopath who committed murder.You're very possibly right. But since a sociopath seems to be defined as a person without a sense of guilt, wouldn't that fit the definition of criminally insane? i.e., unable to appreciate that her criminal act was wrong? |
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Posted by AlM on Thu May 23 11:02:06 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:50:21 2013. So, did the military disrespect Judiasm every day?If what you say is true, then yes. Even at the height of WW II, they should have been able to serve Kosher food in base kitchens in the US and provided packaged Kosher rations. The exception would be non-packaged food at a forward base. I agree that the cooks on some island still partially occupied by the Japanese couldn't be expected to cook Kosher. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 11:02:54 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:51:54 2013. That's plenty misogynistic of you. She isn't property. She is a convict. She should never be allowed in society again, which includes whatever perverse form of enslavement you're alluding to. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 11:05:18 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Thu May 23 10:52:12 2013. The point would be in his mind. He came from a wealthy family. He has a twisted view of his faith. HE would see it as a slight. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 11:06:39 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:51:54 2013. You know that many men would feel it was a waste of a perfectly good woman.If sentenced to death, she'll be on death row for at least the next 12-15 years. I doubt she will be even remotely attractive by then. It's not like they are gonna kill her next month. Perhaps she could be released to the custody of one of those, if you took her knives away? Nahh. Look at her eyes. She's a killer. You can have her. OTOH they can release her into the custody of Robert Blake. |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 11:12:35 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 11:06:39 2013. So you think that because she's female she should be pawned off as some sort of bizarre slave to some demented hater that would never stand a chance with a woman that chooses to be with them?Is your view of women that medieval? Where this is going isn't at all funny. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 11:13:16 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by AlM on Thu May 23 11:02:06 2013. What I say is true. But consider that homogeneity of treatment is an essential part of a military force. Separate rations is also a divisive element to troop cohesion. Suppose that a force must be sent into the field and there is insufficient "special" food for Jewish and Muslim soldiers. Should they be excused from deployment?BTW, the Geneva Conventions agree with me, in that as a POW you are only entitled to the same rations as the equivalent soldiers of your captors get (i.e., enlisted or officers). As it was expressed to us in training: "if a Viet Cong grunt gets fish heads and rice, you get fish heads and rice." If you accept that the dudes at Gitmo are POWs they have an incredible fluff in getting Halal meals. You have to provide reasonable religious instruments and worship opportunities, but that doesn't include special food. |
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Posted by SMAZ on Thu May 23 11:13:16 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 10:55:50 2013. But since a sociopath seems to be defined as a person without a sense of guilt, wouldn't that fit the definition of criminally insane?No. Criminally insane is someone who doesn't know right from wrong and has no concept of the consequences of her actions and thus cannot be held responsible for those actions since it would defeat the whole point of justice and deterrence. Someone with no sense of guilt or empathy OTOH fully understands what she's doing but chooses to do it anyway. Like a cold-blooded murderer. Or a dictator. Or a Morgan Stanley employee. |
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Posted by SLRT on Thu May 23 11:22:07 2013, in response to Re: Should Jodi Aries Die?, posted by bingbong on Thu May 23 11:02:54 2013. Reminds me of the old line "does feminism have a sense of humor"? Actually, feminists I know have more or less lost their sharpest edge. Now people of more diverse sexuality talk about trigger words and this or that -phobia. |
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