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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 09:52:58 2013, in response to Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 09:18:10 2013. Basic problem: how to legalize without increasing consumption.Well that's impossible, as there's plenty of people that would be doing it if it it was easily bought like alcohol, etc. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 11:30:21 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 09:52:58 2013. The ones who would smoke pot are already doing so.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 11:40:17 2013, in response to Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 09:18:10 2013. Basic problem: how to legalize without increasing consumption.That's not a big problem. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 11:40:32 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 11:30:21 2013. I disagree. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 12:03:23 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 11:40:32 2013. Do you think the illegality is that big a threshold?your pal, Fred |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 20 12:22:25 2013, in response to Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 09:18:10 2013. Fact is, consumption will increase. Much of that increase will be among more casual users, like a joint on Saturday afternoon types. Limiting advertising to places where it can be legally sold is a solid good idea. taking cues WRT producers from the wine industry is also good (why not only permit alcoholic beverage licensees,who know regulatory ropes and how to keep kids OUT from access as routine business practice the opportunity to market to the public?). |
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Posted by AlM on Mon May 20 12:34:36 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 12:03:23 2013. Price is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 13:06:56 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 11:30:21 2013. I completely disagree. There are plenty of people that WOULD smoke it if they could easily get it. No matter how "easy" it may be to illegally, there are plenty of people that won't go through that to get it, but would if they could just walk into a store and buy it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 13:08:13 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 12:34:36 2013. It's not all that expensive, even illegally.It's the non-ease of easy access. Yes, I know it's readily available, yet it's still not as easy as walking into the store and buying it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 13:16:51 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by bingbong on Mon May 20 12:22:25 2013. I agree. People who think consumption won't increase are dreaming, however, that is not a reason not to legalize it. For example, when Prohibition on alcohol was around, people still found alcohol, they just found it illegally. Once legalized again, and ease of access increased (legally), obviously many people who didn't want to go through what you had to do to get it illegally (including but not limited to risk legal ramifications), then bought it and used it.There are plenty of people that would use pot if they could legally get it, that don't currently use it. I do agree that would be many more casual less hardcore users, but the numbers are still high. Prohibition doesn't work. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 13:19:22 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 11:30:21 2013. Far more would do so if it had the stamp of legal approval and the ease of being purchased in a local store.People who support legalized drugs of any sort forget history. At one time, it was ALL legal, and (except for weed, which was once exotic) consumed at rates that would dwarf anything seen today. At one time, 2 out of every 3 middle and upper class women were addicted to opium, before it was outlawed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 13:25:26 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 13:16:51 2013. The fact that alcohol consumption didn't drop during Prohibition is also a myth. By 1925 it dropped by half compared to pre-Volstead Act levels. That alone is not a defense of Prohibition, since said drop also came with so many of the well documented side effects of criminalizing liquor (violence with organized crime, poisining and death as a result of poor quality bootleg liquor, etc).If you endorse full legalization of an activity once classified as a vice, you must accept that there will be an increase in the participation of said activity. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 13:45:49 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 11:40:17 2013. That's not a big problem.I think he means "addiction". How do legalize without dealing with addicts? Or dealing with all the additional lung cancer cases. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 20 13:56:31 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 13:45:49 2013. Although there are tars in pot smoke, even stoners do not consume it in the quantities and over the years necessary to cause lung cancer. It may (no proof as yet) influence the disease in a heavy smoker, but of and by itself, can't be consumed (due to its causing the user to fall asleep) in any threshold above what the body itself can clean (4 tobacco cigarettes a day's worth of tars) naturally.I'm sure there are people that think they're addicted to the stuff, but it isn't physically addicting like booze or tobacco are. That would be a behavioral issue. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:00:56 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by bingbong on Mon May 20 13:56:31 2013. There are many that are mentally addicted though, even if it doesn't cause physical addiction.That said, I do agree, it's not going to cause a significant increase of lung cancer. There are many that smoke a pack of cigarettes or more a day. You can't smoke that much pot. You can smoke two packs of cigarettes a day and still get your work done....you smoke similar in the way of pot, nothing would get done. It would be like drinking on the job. It can't be done to extreme. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon May 20 14:13:39 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:00:56 2013. There is a correlation between marijuana Smoking and some renal disease as well |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:17:30 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 20 14:13:39 2013. I look at that like I look at most of these things. It's the person's CHOICE to do it. Alcohol consumption causes issues too, as does smoking obviously. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 14:19:46 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:17:30 2013. problem is, when alcoholics get in a car, they kill or injure innocent people. enough die every year to give serious consideration to banning alcohol, but that won't happen. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:21:25 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 14:19:46 2013. No different than someone high on pot that gets in a car and drives.Neither are a reason to ban alcohol or pot from responsible users. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 14:25:29 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:17:30 2013. Alcohol is embedded in our culture. Has been since the Pyramids. Most illegal drugs are not, and it's better we keep it that way. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:29:17 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 14:25:29 2013. Drunkenness isn't though. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon May 20 14:34:12 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Train Dude on Mon May 20 14:13:39 2013. Got proff? |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 14:34:28 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:21:25 2013. exactly. which is why I bring it up to tyrants who want to ban guns. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 14:39:36 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 11:30:21 2013. It's already cheaper than tobacco. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 14:40:25 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 12:34:36 2013. From what I've been told, it's cheaper than a pack of cigarettes in New York. Elsewhere, not so. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:42:47 2013, in response to Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by AlM on Mon May 20 09:18:10 2013. Basic problem: how to legalize without increasing consumptionPromoting its consumption is an attempt to increase it. Don't be all two-faced on the issue. Don't want increased tax revenue from industrializing the consumption thereof? What? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 14:57:31 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 12:03:23 2013. Not that big, but it's enough.I would smoke pot if it were legal. I'm sure I'm not the only one. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 14:57:52 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 13:08:13 2013. Exactly. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 15:00:06 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 13:25:26 2013. I don't think anybody said that alcohol consumption didn't go down. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 15:12:26 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 13:45:49 2013. There are alcohol, tobacco and caffeine addicts, and yet we don't ban those things.Marijuana is not consumed in anywhere near the quantities of tobacco, so the effect on lung cancer is smaller. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 15:18:20 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:29:17 2013. Meanwhile ... in REAL America ...
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 15:31:16 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 14:57:31 2013. If it weren't for the requirements of DoD to keep my clearance, I'd ask you to pass it. :) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 15:42:05 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 20 14:29:17 2013. You don't need to get drunk. You're incoherent all the time. |
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 20 15:55:59 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 15:18:20 2013. In the port authority bus station they have a morning call with a whistle witch means DOF [ GET THE DRUNKS OFF FLOOR} How come there is NO POF [pot smokers off floor} The reason is that pot is "WEAK" The SAME ppl that are the pot smokers are the SAME ppl that can not handle real drink. Just saying it as it is ! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 16:01:22 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 20 15:55:59 2013. Some of them can't handle the dope either. :)Wavy sez so. Heh. 
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Posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 20 16:09:43 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 16:01:22 2013. HaHa imagine if these WEAK lings [ pot heads ] had to handle RUSSIAN VODKA ! |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 16:15:30 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by B68 slow poke on Mon May 20 16:09:43 2013. Da!NOW yer talking. I impressed my former coworkers in Odessa by drinking THEM under table. :) |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 20 16:43:44 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 13:45:49 2013. Plenty of folks are addicted to booze. Yet, we seem to deal with the liver chirosis it causes. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 20 16:45:17 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by LuchAAA on Mon May 20 14:34:28 2013. TRY to stick to the subject. Geez |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 20 17:09:43 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon May 20 14:40:25 2013. Yes.....price is definitely not the issue. |
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Posted by Charles G on Mon May 20 17:10:41 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon May 20 16:43:44 2013. Plenty of folks are addicted to booze. Yet, we seem to deal with the liver chirosis it causes.... but not the DWI. Or other alcohol-induced bad behavior. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 20 17:11:06 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 15:00:06 2013. People are saying pot use wouldn't go up. That's highly not true. |
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Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 20 17:12:15 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Mon May 20 17:11:06 2013. .....not that that's not a reason to not legalize it. It's very similar to Prohibition |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 17:17:12 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Charles G on Mon May 20 17:10:41 2013. When it comes to booze, we permit it because the downside of that is less than outlawing it. This is not the case with other drugs, which can have greater downsides are not embedded within our culture. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 17:28:02 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 17:17:12 2013. I disagree about weed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 17:37:24 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 20 17:28:02 2013. I am on the fence with weed. I'd rather play it safe and leave it illegal. I've seen what can happen when a person's life revolves around smoking it. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon May 20 17:44:49 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon May 20 14:21:25 2013. No different than someone high on pot that gets in a car and drives.Neither are a reason to ban alcohol or pot from responsible users. Not even different from someone obsessively texting behind the wheel and killing someone, but it's never been suggested to ban phones. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 20 18:58:05 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Fred G on Mon May 20 12:03:23 2013. It is for me...Denver and Seattle are on my 2014 vacation list. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon May 20 19:03:51 2013, in response to Re: Good opinion piece on legalizing pot, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon May 20 17:37:24 2013. Except it's not safe to leave it illegal. Forgetting about foreign cartels, a lot of gang activity is funded by it.Also, the fact that it is illegal is what makes it a "gateway drug". The same dealer selling mary-j is also pushing the harder stuff. Once people have decided to break the law they're on the other side of the 'gate'. The barrier should be more reasonable. |
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