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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 8 00:11:07 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Mar 8 00:08:07 2013. But like Olog's hero, Generalissimo Francisco Franco, he's STILL dead, right? Gotta check those things yaknow, AMC needs new episodes. :) |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Mar 8 00:18:14 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 8 00:11:07 2013. Very funny. :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Mar 8 00:26:41 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Mar 8 00:18:14 2013. Kewl! They added republican jesus to the meme. That's new! :) |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 8 09:12:40 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Mar 8 00:01:55 2013. Gun laws create an environment where there are fewer guns. Fewer guns means less violent crime. Don't you get it?Criminals that can't get guns won't use guns. Crime becomes less violent. Fewer accidents means kids get to live, suicides don't succeed as much so more get help. Everyone wins. |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 8 09:34:57 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. March 8, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 10 10:42:45 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 10 10:49:22 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. IT seems that what we have here WRT gun ownership is another noisy minority. They may be a little bigger than the teabaggers at around 35%, but they are clearly a minority and a shrinking one at that.The downside is that this subset of our population is more armed than ever, as gun sales remain high, it appears the same people are buying more and more of them. The point of that is best left for another discussion. For the moment, get the word out to Congress. Riff on Randpaul. A noisy minority thinks it's ok to take your life without charge or trial. No individual is judge and jury. ------------------------- Share of Homes With Guns Shows 4-Decade Decline By SABRINA TAVERNISE and ROBERT GEBELOFF The share of American households with guns has declined over the past four decades, a national survey shows, with some of the most surprising drops in the South and the Western mountain states, where guns are deeply embedded in the culture. The gun ownership rate has fallen across a broad cross section of households since the early 1970s, according to data from the General Social Survey, a public opinion survey conducted every two years that asks a sample of American adults if they have guns at home, among other questions. The rate has dropped in cities large and small, in suburbs and rural areas and in all regions of the country. It has fallen among households with children, and among those without. It has declined for households that say they are very happy, and for those that say they are not. It is down among churchgoers and those who never sit in pews. The household gun ownership rate has fallen from an average of 50 percent in the 1970s to 49 percent in the 1980s, 43 percent in the 1990s and 35 percent in the 2000s, according to the survey data, analyzed by The New York Times. In 2012, the share of American households with guns was 34 percent, according to survey results released on Thursday. Researchers said the difference compared with 2010, when the rate was 32 percent, was not statistically significant. The findings contrast with the impression left by a flurry of news reports about people rushing to buy guns and clearing shop shelves of assault rifles after the massacre last year at an elementary school in Newtown, Conn. “There are all these claims that gun ownership is going through the roof,” said Daniel Webster, the director of the Johns Hopkins Center for Gun Policy and Research. “But I suspect the increase in gun sales has been limited mostly to current gun owners. The most reputable surveys show a decline over time in the share of households with guns.” That decline, which has been studied by researchers for years but is relatively unknown among the general public, suggests that even as the conversation on guns remains contentious, a broad shift away from gun ownership is under way in a growing number of American homes. It also raises questions about the future politics of gun control. Will efforts to regulate guns eventually meet with less resistance if they are increasingly concentrated in fewer hands — or more resistance? Detailed data on gun ownership is scarce. Though some states reported household gun ownership rates in the 1990s, it was not until the early 2000s that questions on the presence of guns at home were asked on a broad federal public health survey of several hundred thousand people, making it possible to see the rates in all states. But by the mid-2000s, the federal government stopped asking the questions, leaving researchers to rely on much smaller surveys, like the General Social Survey, which is conducted by NORC, a research center at the University of Chicago. Measuring the level of gun ownership can be a vexing problem, with various recent national polls reporting rates between 35 percent and 52 percent. Responses can vary because the survey designs and the wording of questions differ. But researchers say the survey done by the center at the University of Chicago is crucial because it has consistently tracked gun ownership since 1973, asking if respondents “happen to have in your home (or garage) any guns or revolvers.” The center’s 2012 survey, conducted mostly in person but also by phone, involved interviews with about 2,000 people from March to September and had a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points. Gallup, which asks a similar question but has a different survey design, shows a higher ownership rate and a more moderate decrease. No national survey tracks the number of guns within households. Andrew Arulanandam, a spokesman for the National Rifle Association, said he was skeptical that there had been a decline in household ownership. He pointed to reports of increased gun sales, to long waits for gun safety training classes and to the growing number of background checks, which have surged since the late 1990s, as evidence that ownership is rising. “I’m sure there are a lot of people who would love to make the case that there are fewer gun owners in this country, but the stories we’ve been hearing and the data we’ve been seeing simply don’t support that,” he said. Tom W. Smith, the director of the General Social Survey, which is financed by the National Science Foundation, said he was confident in the trend. It lines up, he said, with two evolving patterns in American life: the decline of hunting and a sharp drop in violent crime, which has made the argument for self-protection much less urgent. According to an analysis of the survey, only a quarter of men in 2012 said they hunted, compared with about 40 percent when the question was asked in 1977. Mr. Smith acknowledged the rise in background checks, but said it was impossible to tell how many were for new gun owners. The checks are reported as one total that includes, for example, people buying their second or third gun, as well as those renewing concealed carry permits. “If there was a national registry that recorded all firearm purchases, we’d have a full picture,” he said. “But there’s not, so we’ve got to put together pieces.” The survey does not ask about the legality of guns in the home. Illegal guns are a factor in some areas but represent a very small fraction of ownership in the country, said Aaron Karp, an expert on gun policy at the Small Arms Survey in Geneva and at Old Dominion University in Norfolk, Va. He said estimates of the total number of guns in the United States ranged from 280 million to 320 million. The geographic patterns were some of the most surprising in the General Social Survey, researchers said. Gun ownership in both the South and the mountain region, which includes states like Montana, New Mexico and Wyoming, dropped to less than 40 percent of households this decade, down from 65 percent in the 1970s. The Northeast, where the household ownership rate is lowest, changed the least, at 22 percent this decade, compared with 29 percent in the 1970s. Age groups presented another twist. While household ownership of guns among elderly Americans remained virtually unchanged from the 1970s to this decade at about 43 percent, ownership among young Americans plummeted. Household gun ownership among Americans under the age of 30 fell to 23 percent this decade from 47 percent in the 1970s. The survey showed a similar decline for Americans ages 30 to 44. As for politics, the survey showed a steep drop in household gun ownership among Democrats and independents, and a very slight decline among Republicans. But the new data suggest a reversal among Republicans, with 51 percent since 2008 saying they have a gun in their home, up from 47 percent in surveys taken from 2000 through 2006. This leaves the Republican rate a bit below where it was in the 1970s, while ownership for Democrats is nearly half of what it was in that decade. Researchers offered different theories for these trends. Many Americans were introduced to guns through military service, which involved a large part of the population in the Vietnam War era, Dr. Webster said. Now that the Army is volunteer and a small fraction of the population, it is less a gateway for gun ownership, he said. Urbanization also helped drive the decline. Rural areas, where gun ownership is the highest, are now home to about 17 percent of Americans, down from 27 percent in the 1970s. According to the survey, just 23 percent of households in cities owned guns in the 2000s, compared with 56 percent of households in rural areas. That was down from 70 percent of rural households in the 1970s. The country’s changing demographics may also play a role. While the rate of gun ownership among women has remained relatively constant over the years at about 10 percent, which is less than one-third of the rate among men today, more women are heading households without men, another possible contributor to the decline in household gun ownership. Women living in households where there were guns that were not their own declined to a fifth in 2012 down from a third in 1980. The increase of Hispanics as a share of the American population is also probably having an effect, as they are far less likely to own guns. In the survey results since 2000, about 14 percent of Hispanics reported having a gun in their house. http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/10/us/rate-of-gun-ownership-is-down-survey-shows.html?src=twrhp |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Mar 10 11:10:48 2013, in response to Re: Today in Noisy Minorities, posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 10 10:49:22 2013. Gun ownership in private homes mostly increases the death and injury rate of the residents of those homes, not that of the rest of the country.The real problem for the rest of the country is straw purchases. Hopefully Congress can be persuaded to crack down on those. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Sun Mar 10 11:31:16 2013, in response to Re: Tonight in Smothered Pork Chops, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Thu Feb 7 16:33:44 2013. Really? Is this something new ? |
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Houston Group Giving Away Shotguns In High-Crime Neighborhoods (Re: Today in Guns) |
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Posted by Easy on Sun Mar 10 12:03:14 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Did you miss this one? I mentioned it to a coworker and he nailed it. Crime will go down, but more people will shoot themselves accidentally and both sides will claim victory.Houston Group Giving Away Shotguns In High-Crime Neighborhoods To Test If Crime Is Reduced |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 10 12:22:45 2013, in response to Re: Today in Noisy Minorities, posted by AlM on Sun Mar 10 11:10:48 2013. That's correct. People are getting it.IMO, we need to do more than just criminalize straw purchases. We need background checks for all sales, and they should be handled through registered licensed regulated dealers, not at fly-by-night shows. Internet sales of any weaponry or parts needs to be banned. There is just no way to check out internet transaction sufficiently. Same for all bullets (hollow point and other bullets designed to be lethal should be banned as well, the regular ones do enough killing and damage). California has new rules for ammunition sale regulation that should be modeled for the country. A high power rifle/assault weapon ban is reasonable. These are military-grade weapons and do not belong on the streets. They are pointless for hunting. They are only intended to kill as many people as possible in the shortest amount of time. They can be allowed to be held and used at licensed regulated gun shooting ranges for entertainment (?!?) purposes but must never be permitted to leave the premises. They don't belong in the home. Same goes for large capacity magazines. Regulated gun range exception same as above, up to 30 bullets. (More is pointless as they supposedly function unreliably) Something has to be done to ensure gun owners are using safes for their guns and keep bullets separate to prevent accidents. Eventually, reason will prevail and education and training will be made mandatory. Then we'll finally see sanity prevailing WRT guns. Hopefully it'll mean a lot fewer of them too. |
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Posted by bingbong on Sun Mar 10 12:29:41 2013, in response to Houston Group Giving Away Shotguns In High-Crime Neighborhoods (Re: Today in Guns), posted by Easy on Sun Mar 10 12:03:14 2013. I wouldn't want to go near that place. The end result is a lot of innocent people will be hurt. |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 11 12:31:26 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 11, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 12 13:35:00 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 12, 2013> |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 13 12:41:48 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 13, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Mar 14 11:56:01 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 14, 2013 |
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Today in Guns: Marine with concealed carry permit stops man from beating woman |
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Posted by daNd124 on Thu Mar 14 14:28:21 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. http://fox6now.com/2013/03/12/marine-with-concealed-carry-permit-stops-man-from-beating-woman/A Marine Corps veteran was able to stop a man early Tuesday, March 12th from nearly kicking a woman to death. It happened near 102nd and Lincoln, and Wisconsin’s concealed carry law made his efforts possible. Charlie Blackmore was driving home from work at 4:00 a.m. along Lincoln Avenue when he saw something on the sidewalk. Blackmore didn’t realize it was a woman on the ground being kicked in the head and stomach until he got closer. That’s when he jumped out of his car and sprung into action. “I said ‘stop’ and he starts coming towards me and that`s when I drew on him. He started getting closer and I said ‘get down on the ground,’” Blackmore said. Blackmore held his gun on the suspect and called West Allis police. He says several times while waiting for police to arrive, the attacker moved toward him. “I mean I’ve already made it up in mind that if he came at me I was going to have to take him down and I told him that. I warned him multiple times not to come towards me because he was a big guy and I wasn’t playing around and he didn’t seem like he was playing around,” Blackmore said. Blackmore says police eventually showed up and had to force the suspect to the ground. They then asked to see Blackmore’s concealed carry permit. “I put my hands up turned around and said ‘you can grab it out of my wallet.’ Checked my permit, gave me my wallet back, and then interviewed me for their paperwork,” Blackmore said. West Allis police say that paperwork is not yet available. For that reason, the name of the attacker and his victim have not yet been released. “She had a really big laceration by her eye and it looked like her nose was broken,” Blackmore said. Blackmore didn’t catch any names either, but said the victim told him the man is an ex-boyfriend. “She was not with him anymore and he had stalked her that day or something and he attacked her on her way to work,” Blackmore said. Blackmore says situations like this are why he supports Wisconsin’s concealed carry law, and the rights of gun owners. “We do good things. Not all of us are bad or crazy gun nuts. There are good people,” Blackmore said. The West Allis police chief says these types of situations really are judgement calls for gun owners. While they don’t encourage this behavior, they appreciate citizens watching out for each other as long as they do it legally and are willing to accept the consequences. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Thu Mar 14 17:17:46 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Thu Mar 14 11:56:01 2013. March 12, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 15 11:39:47 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. < a href="http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/03/15/the-gun-report-march-15-2013/?src=twrhp">Mar 15, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 15 11:40:03 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 15, 2013 |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Fri Mar 15 11:43:26 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Feb 7 22:23:01 2013. WHY ARE YOU ATTACKING?
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 19 11:20:35 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 18, 2013Mar 19, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 20 10:42:30 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 20, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Sat Mar 23 17:43:55 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 23, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Mar 25 14:17:01 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 25, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Mar 26 12:33:37 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 26, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Mar 27 18:04:12 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 27,2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Mar 28 13:12:18 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 28, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Mar 29 13:21:51 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Mar 29, 2013 (there were no Hammer Report incidents today)Also, the head gun lobbyist in Utah had an AR-15 stolen from his car (it was in a case) while parked in the driveway of his home. You gotta ask what part of responsible gun ownership doesn't this guy get? It should have been in the gun safe in his home, hopefully in a place where his family cannot easily access it. Link to story |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 1 16:52:15 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Apr 1, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 3 11:32:53 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Apr 3, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Thu Apr 4 12:35:55 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 3 11:32:53 2013. Apr 4, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Fri Apr 5 13:05:27 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Apr 5, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 8 11:52:54 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. April 8, 2013 (weekend of Apr 5-7) |
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Posted by Dave on Mon Apr 8 18:16:33 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Mon Apr 8 11:52:54 2013. Burger King diner defeats would-be robber by shooting him |
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Posted by Train Dude on Mon Apr 8 18:18:36 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 8 18:16:33 2013. Arf, arf, arf, |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 11:01:37 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Apr 9, 2013 |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 11:03:35 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by Dave on Mon Apr 8 18:16:33 2013. http://nocera.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/09/the-gun-report-april-9-2013/Read the first item. In the rare instance someone uses a gun for "self-defense", it's just as likely to result on tragedy. The Pastorius case may well be another. |
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Posted by Dave on Tue Apr 9 11:25:15 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 11:01:37 2013. “As soon as he saw the gun he was very compliant" |
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Posted by bingbong on Tue Apr 9 11:27:45 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by Dave on Tue Apr 9 11:25:15 2013. “I killed my own son. Are you kidding me?” Leach allegedly told a police officer at the scene. “This can’t be happening. Oh my God, just kill me now.” |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 13:38:34 2013, in response to Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Sat Feb 2 18:39:56 2013. Apr 10,2013The Public Wants Background Checks for Gun Sales |
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Posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 10 14:05:20 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 13:38:34 2013. The Public is ignorant of what the law already requires.anyhow, a compromise on background checks was reached in the Senate and I shall give it the benefit of the doubt. It appears that enough exemptions have been provided to satisfy my earlier objections. ---------- Here's What's in the Compromise Proposal on Background Checks for Gun Buyers —By Gavin Aronsen| Mother Jones On Tuesday, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) gave senators leading bipartisan talks on a compromise amendment for expanding background checks on gun buyers an ultimatum: Figure it out by 5 p.m., when Reid planned to file a motion to move to debate of his broader package of gun-control legislation, which includes measures to improve school safety and crack down on gun traffickers. Sens. Joe Manchin (D-W. Va.) and Pat Toomey (R-Pa.) managed to strike a deal, and on Wednesday morning they held a press conference on Capitol Hill outlining their amendment, which Manchin said would be the first on the gun control bill when Reid introduces it for an initial vote on Thursday. (Sen. Chuck Schumer, the New York Democrat who introduced the background check provisions that cleared the Senate Judiciary Committee on a party-line vote, told reporters on Tuesday that although some details needed working out he supported the Manchin-Toomey compromise.) The amendment would require background checks on all gun sales in person and over the internet with the exception of transfers between "friends and neighbors." It's unclear how broad that exception will be in practice, but the Washington Post reported that the background check requirement "would not cover private transactions between individuals, unless there was advertising or an online service involved." Private dealers would be required to keep records of gun sales, as licensed dealers have already been doing since 1968. Gun sellers who allow prohibited people to buy firearms would face a felony charge. Immediate reactions from gun control groups working with lawmakers on the Hill were mixed. "We like [the compromise] very much," Mark Glaze, director of Michael Bloomberg's Mayors Against Illegal Guns, told Mother Jones. Ladd Everitt, a spokesman for the Coalition to Stop Gun Violence, struck a more cautious tone. "We're still waiting to hear the language of the bill," he said, explaining that his group wanted more details on how record-keeping would work, and if gun transactions by, for example, people standing just outside gun shows would require checks. But Everitt commended Manchin and Toomey for standing their ground against pushback from staunch proponents of gun rights. At the press conference, Manchin and Toomey, who both own guns, touted their support for the 2nd Amendment. "I don't consider criminal background checks to be gun control. It's common sense." Toomey said. "The mentally ill should not have guns. I don't know anyone who disagrees with that premise." When asked if he worried that his support for expanded background checks would cost him his "A" rating with the NRA, Toomey replied, "What matters to me is doing the right thing." (Mayors Against Illegal Guns is releasing scorecards of its own today to grade lawmakers on guns.) The National Rifle Association, with which Manchin said he and Toomey have been in contact, stepped away from its opposition to expanded background checks, calling the compromise "a positive development." However, the NRA said, "no background check would have prevented the traged[ies] in Newtown, Aurora, or Tucson." Manchin also said he and Toomey "agree[d] that we need a commission on mass violence" with experts on mental illness, school safety, and "video violence." If expanded background checks are able to dodge a Senate filibuster with the help of Republicans who want to see a vote, the next challenge will be in the House, where Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) has the power to block the bill from getting a vote. Toomey said there are a "substantial number of House Republicans who are supportive of this general [compromise] approach." (Rep. Carolyn McCarthy (D-N.Y.), one of the House's leading gun-control advocates, told Mother Jones last week that the gun violence task force she sits on has been in talks with Republicans, but declined to name names.) |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Apr 10 14:14:25 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 13:38:34 2013. if all the legislation did was require background checks it would pass with little problem. the issue is that gun control advocates are using background checks as a way to bury anyone who wants to sell a gun in red tape. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 14:17:30 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by SMAZ on Wed Apr 10 14:05:20 2013. So long as responsibility belongs with the background-checked person as to what becomes of the gun, I guess it's as good as it will get. If Dad gives Junior an assault rifle and he decides to mow down the second grade with it because he had some unresolved issue with being sent to the principal for eating paste, Dad should remain responsible. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 14:19:17 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by daNd124 on Wed Apr 10 14:14:25 2013. If anyone wants to sell a gun they can always take it to a licensed regulated gun dealer and either sell it to them or do a consignment. Lethal weapons do not belong in fleamarkets. |
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Posted by daNd124 on Wed Apr 10 14:23:03 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 14:19:17 2013. see your bowl isn't to make sure a background check is done your goal is to make buying and selling guns more difficult. |
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Posted by bingbong on Wed Apr 10 14:25:16 2013, in response to Re: Today in Guns, posted by daNd124 on Wed Apr 10 14:23:03 2013. Buying and selling guns SHOULD be difficult. |
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