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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 15 09:27:53 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 15 08:20:20 2013.

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the rest of his so called repub buddies

Being labeled by liberals and leftists does not mean "so-called". I certainly ain't a Republican. Hagel's the pick of the POTUS and the guy is a genuine Nazi. It's amusing to watch the libs try to attack the straw man that the president himself set up, though.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 09:38:56 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 15 09:07:51 2013.

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It doesn't bother you that obama will pressure Israel to give up it's land?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 15 09:43:55 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 15 09:27:53 2013.

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That's what I meant by " so called"...

Pay attention!

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 15 09:44:22 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 09:38:56 2013.

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I don't know what Obama will do when he is here. And I've explained why I think we need to create an independent Palestinian state.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 15 09:47:45 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Feb 15 09:27:53 2013.

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I certainly ain't a Republican.

We know, the Republican party didn't exist in the time period you wish the world would return to.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 15 09:48:04 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 09:22:10 2013.

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Hey if you say so! Fair enough the rest of my post stands..

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 10:25:00 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 14 23:31:49 2013.

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I was thinking of Lani Guinier. She was crucified purely for her judicial philosophy. Never got nominated, although she was his first choice. She also has no nanny issues.

You're thinking of Zoe Baird and Kimba Wood. They both did the right thing by withdrawing and paying the fines and taxes owed. Some years later, Willard M Romney did NOT. Yet you didn't seem to have any issue with that.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 10:35:03 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by bingbong on Fri Feb 15 10:25:00 2013.

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Lani Guinier was never nominated for Attorney General. It might also interest you to know that prominent democratic senators urged Bill Clinton to withdraw her nomination because she did miserably during the interviews.

By the way - she was nominated for Assistant Attorney General

From Wikipedia:
"In addition, Democratic Senators such as David Pryor of Arkansas and Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts informed President Clinton that her interviews with senators were going poorly and urged him to withdraw the nomination.[7]

According to Clinton's autobiography, Democratic Senator Carol Moseley-Braun of Illinois, the only African-American who was serving in the upper chamber at that time, also urged the President to withdraw Guinier's nomination.[8] President Clinton took the advice of these elected officials and withdrew her nomination, claiming he was unfamiliar with her writing and that he didn't realize that she advocated pure racial quotas as opposed to affirmative action, as opponents had charged. The charge was false; Guinier had many times explicitly rejected the use of racial quotas in her law review articles.[9]
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So once again you are not posting facts. It was not the Republicans but it was the party of "exclusion" who sandbagged her.


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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 10:36:55 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 10:35:03 2013.

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What say you now - bing-bong?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 11:02:18 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Train Dude on Fri Feb 15 10:36:55 2013.

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What say you now, bing-bong?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:34:11 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 15 09:44:22 2013.

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HELL NO!

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:38:27 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 09:38:56 2013.

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As a Jew who was born and raised in the United States, but whose heart is also in Israel, it disgusts me that there are fellow Jews who want Israel to commit national suicide, and just give up part of the Jewish biblical holy land away.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 13:08:03 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 14 21:25:28 2013.

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That doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:12:49 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:38:27 2013.

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It disgusts me that there are fellow Jews who would commit genocide for any reason, let alone by insane interpretation of the bible.

Israel is a modern realization of the 2000 year hope to be a free people in our own land. If religious types had their way, we'd still be waiting another 2000 years for a "moshiach" to come and alleviate the unending suffering we experienced as strangers in every land in which we lived.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:39:57 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:12:49 2013.

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In fairness to chicagomotorman, I don't think he's proposing genocide. I think he's proposing politely escorting folks to the border with a bit of cash in their pockets, under the assumption that they will be graciously welcomed by their neighbors.

But even if it's not genocide, it's certainly ethnic cleansing.


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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:50:15 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:39:57 2013.

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I'm sure that under his plan, millions will perish in the resulting strife and war.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:50:34 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:50:15 2013.

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Perhaps hundreds of thousands.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:58:26 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:50:34 2013.

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You are very likely right, but I think he genuinely doesn't see that likelihood, not even as a possibility.


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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:02:06 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:12:49 2013.

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You're Jewish? With a name like pig? Which ir tref?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:02:07 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 15:12:49 2013.

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You're Jewish? With a name like pig? Which ir tref?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:02:38 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:39:57 2013.

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You're Jewish? With a name like pig? That's tref.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:03:15 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:39:57 2013.

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Thank you. Exactly.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Feb 15 17:07:59 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:02:06 2013.

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Dogs and cats are treif too.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 15 17:22:39 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by bingbong on Thu Feb 14 21:16:01 2013.

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Besides, we can assume that Hagel's fairly intelligent. The fact is, he wouldn't want the SecDef job if it was just to be BO's patsy.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by RockParkMan on Fri Feb 15 17:28:34 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Fri Feb 15 09:47:45 2013.

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America didn't exist either. In fact a band of fugitive ex monks was carving a rune stone in what is now Minnesota at the time of Olog's idyll.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 15 18:01:42 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by AlM on Fri Feb 15 15:58:26 2013.

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but I think he genuinely doesn't see that likelihood, not even as a possibility.


But he would accept it.

That's unacceptable.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 15 18:02:40 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 16:02:38 2013.

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You're Jewish? With a name like pig?

Better to be named as one than to be one.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Feb 16 12:11:37 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:38:27 2013.

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The rabbi at the synagogue I attended this morning made a number of fascinating points in his drash today, including that as Jews, we are obligated by the laws of our religion to not stand idly by if we see oppression or other wrongs in the world. Advocating genocide does not fit into that teaching IMO.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 12:20:57 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Sat Feb 16 12:11:37 2013.

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YES!

This is the kind of thing religion is for. Not spurious explanations for the origins of life and the universe.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 12:32:16 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by chicagomotorman on Fri Feb 15 12:38:27 2013.

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Israel gave back the gaza strip, what have they gotten back in return? More rocket attacks. It's one thing to give back land, but its another to give back land to those that still stabs them in the back.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 12:34:00 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 12:32:16 2013.

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If they annexed the West Bank and Gaza, they would no longer be able to be both democratic and a Jewish state.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 12:43:38 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 12:34:00 2013.

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But what's the point in giving land back to those that still attacks them? If anything they should offer citizenship to those that are willing to live peacefully under Israeli laws. I mean the land for peace idea was noble, but flawed when you have a group unwilling to renounce violence.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 12:52:06 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 12:43:38 2013.

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NO! Citizenship for Palestinians in the territories=national suicide for Israel.

Until such time as the violence stops, Israel is fully justified in continuing the military occupation.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 13:02:51 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 12:52:06 2013.

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Well ok then. They should not do anymore land for peace deals and there should not be a 2 state option.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 13:13:49 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 13:02:51 2013.

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2 state option is the ONLY option.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 13:18:50 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Feb 16 13:13:49 2013.

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But how if the leaders are 'moderate' and the attacks still happens? I don't think there will ever be a way to negotiate a peaceful solution with the Palestinians.

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 18:17:34 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 12:43:38 2013.

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I mean the land for peace idea was noble

How?

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Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Feb 16 18:19:17 2013, in response to Re: Republicans Block Hagel Nomination, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Feb 16 13:02:51 2013.

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The "Palestinians" never wanted a two-state solution. Not in 1947, and not at any time since then. You happen to see this story?

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