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Posted by JayMan on Sun Jan 15 18:21:18 2012, in response to Re: OP-ED: What Americans keep ignoring about Finland's school success, posted by Concourse Express on Fri Jan 13 18:20:07 2012. Just like learning to be a Jedi (and in real life, a lot of other things), to learn HBD, you must, to some extent, unlearn what you have learned. I see that you're doing that, and that's good, but you have a way to go. AEM and I are having a discussion about whether it would be a good thing for knowledge of HBD to be widespread. While there's bound to be problems, I'm of the mind that it should be. If we are to have any hope of combating the problems that face society, we need to understand how they really work, not hide behind idealistic PC beliefs.>>>>>>>>In short, it may still be possible for students who narrowly miss the cutoff for specialized middle or high schools to do well in a gifted program at a normal school. >>>Probably. But it may serve to be counterproductive because of bullying by the low-IQ (and violent) elements of the student body. You're likely correct. As someone who endured the hell of bullying nearly every day while in junior high school, I understand how such can impede a student even if they are gifted (though in my case I managed to overcome, being one of only two kids in my class who tested into a specialized high school; the other chose not to go). Even now, bullying is a problem that has hardly abated... That said, this could also be an argument for gifted programs in normal schools, since gifted cats will likely have higher average IQs than the rest (and consequently, a lower probability of being violent). Yes, but as long as they're in the same school, there's going to be interaction. In low-IQ (mostly minority) schools, bullying is a major problem, and always will be. Only by getting the smart kids out would things for them improve. This is most acute at the middle school level where real violent behavior tends to begin. As for the "utopian liberal" remark, I'll admit that some of my ideas and arguments are a bit idealistic; it comes from wanting to see the best in people and see cats overcoming the odds and changing for the better (especially in education since the current system is sub-par). Of course, I don't expect everyone to do this, given that some cats are set in their ways for better or worse... HBD'ers tend to be right-of-center. Needless to say, to conservative HBD'ers, they see liberalism as the source of HBD-denial, and while to an extent that's true, they also sit with blinders against the obvious anti-science streak among conservatives, especially in America. To them, HBD validates conservative policies, such as about welfare, when in reality, it doesn't necessarily. However: I have noticed; indeed, immigration is a big talking point on some of those blogs. Once more, I will state that I agree that illegal immigration (not just from Mexico) should be fought, but not so much legal. They are correct when it comes to immigration. I am in favor of selective immigration. Immigrants, regardless of from where they come, should demonstrate that they can contribute to our society. This means some sort of record of achievement in their home country, sort of like what many other countries have in place for their immigration requirements. And any immigrant who commits a serious crime, particularly violent ones, should be deported. About the bit on reforming education, the PISA scores indicate that, if anything, our students are doing great, considering that they outscore all their brethren in their home countries. Is there room for reform? Yes, but probably not necessarily what you have in mind. For example, the only real way to significantly improve the student performance in a given school district is to change the students. That is why all the magic cures have failed: they are doomed in principle. |
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