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Re: HBD Explains it all (Re: EUEUEUEUEU Germany must decide whether eurozone lives or dies)

Posted by JayMan on Mon Nov 14 03:16:35 2011, in response to Re: HBD Explains it all (Re: EUEUEUEUEU Germany must decide whether eurozone lives or dies), posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 14 02:32:59 2011.

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While that's true, the big mistake originally was in the valuation of slower climate. Compare the latitudes in the Americas for productivity. It's the same deal.

And the IQ map is also interesting, but climate and agrarian/industrial also have more to do with the disparities in the outcome of Eurofinance.


IQ and climate go hand-in-hand. Indeed, there is a correlation between average IQ and latitude of about 0.92. That's not to say that's the ultimate source of all the IQ variation (as Ireland and Scotland demonstrate), as some of the variation seems to be due to recent evolution. As well, other factors that correlate with IQ, such as work ethic, are at play. Southern Europeans are less inclined to work hard than their northern counterparts, and as southern Italy demonstrates, less inclined to make a living through "legitimate" channels.

These led to an economic disparity between the different European nations, especially when the Euro put them all on equal footing. The intelligent, hard-working Germanics have had robust manufacturing economies with low unemployment, while the south has forced to rely on tourism and agriculture. The stronger allegiance to the family over the state in countries like Greece has led to massive tax evasion. Italy has been blessed and cursed with both these types of regions.

Had the rest of Europe simply exchanged their old currency for new and maintained their economies without going crazy borrowing, they wouldn't be where they are now.

Yup, that was their big mistake. Every country thought it was Germany, until it came time to pay the bill.

I see the EU as Europe's attempt to emulate the US but they're doing it all wrong. Separate nation states existing before the republic was formed is every bit as daft as letting New Jersey be a separate nation from Ohio ... and so all this talk of consolidation is a NECESSARY part of forming an EU in the first place and they should have accomplished THAT first before shutting down the state banks and creating a FED ... but hey ... they fucked up. Now they've gotta decide what they want to do.

Indeed, you can't have a unified currency without a unified government. It was a nice try, though.

While I found the X-Y axis stuff in the other thread amusing, I don't buy that the Chinese are up there with the Japanese and I don't buy that Bulgaria and Estonia are up there ahead of the Russians.

That was from The World Values Survey.

The vertical axis measured religosity/traditional beliefs vs rational/secular though and the horizontal axis measured survial values vs self-expression values, defined this way:


The Traditional/Secular-rational values dimension reflects the contrast between societies in which religion is very important and those in which it is not. A wide range of other orientations are closely linked with this dimension. Societies near the traditional pole emphasize the importance of parent-child ties and deference to authority, along with absolute standards and traditional family values, and reject divorce, abortion, euthanasia, and suicide. These societies have high levels of national pride, and a nationalistic outlook. Societies with secular-rational values have the opposite preferences on all of these topics.

The second major dimension of cross-cultural variation is linked with the transition from industrial society to post-industrial societies-which brings a polarization between Survival and Self-expression values. The unprecedented wealth that has accumulated in advanced societies during the past generation means that an increasing share of the population has grown up taking survival for granted. Thus, priorities have shifted from an overwhelming emphasis on economic and physical security toward an increasing emphasis on subjective well-being, self-expression and quality of life. Inglehart and Baker (2000) find evidence that orientations have shifted from Traditional toward Secular-rational values, in almost all industrial societies. But modernization, is not linear-when a society has completed industrialization and starts becoming a knowledge society, it moves in a new direction, from Survival values toward increasing emphasis on Self-expression values.


Here's an updated version of the graph:





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