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Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't)

Posted by JayMan on Wed May 11 23:39:25 2011, in response to Re: Why Socialism Doesn't Work In America (not that it can't), posted by SMAZ on Wed May 11 21:17:19 2011.

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I am all for European-style socialism here in the US, and you know I love Obama. But a couple of things here:
  • I specifically said that this doesn't apply to origin of America's conservatism

  • The U.S. was never homogenously (or even nearly so) white

  • Even then, earlier white Americans were very tribal with each other, and white people viewed themselves not as a monolithic group but as nationalities based on their country of origin (colonial American vs Italian vs German vs Polish vs Hungarian vs Russian vs Irish—as European immigrants continued to pour in)

  • The U.S. didn't have WWII fought on its soil. The horrific destruction wrought by the war sways peoples ideas on taking care of one another

There is no question that the reason that race plays such a major role in U.S. because the races are, as a whole, different from one another, and these differences have implications for policy. The truth of the matter is that—far from being kept down by whites—blacks as a group are doing pretty well for themselves considering their lower IQ's, so inasmuch as they have been the recipients of help from society, it has worked.

Fear of race mixing has been a driver in policy here, but that itself is a symptom of fears about minorities, some of which proved to be correct.

You are correct that Europeans are less xenophobic in terms of their behavior, but as they are for the most part homogeneous societies, there was no need for that be expressed.

The rest of the things you expressed are pretty much what I described. Europeans after WWII decided to take care of their society and their people (mind you that previously they were much like Americans with regard to social welfare, if not even worse).

Upward mobility occurred in both the U.S. and Europe, as reconstruction after the war helped people cut off from access to education and modern amenities had an opportunity to climb the social ladder. On both sides of the Atlantic this process is ending and as society begins to stratisfy along genetic lines.

But the homogeneous, forward thinking societies that post war Europeans have crafted lend themselves to the progress—intellectually—that they have had.

I find IQ, and more broadly, demographic factors important to explain these distinction because it obviously does. These are significant to a variety of social factors. But I didn't say that they were the only factors that were relevant. Cultural and historic differences are at play. That said, whites in Europe have a lot in common with whites in the States, and all over the world.

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