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Posted by JayMan on Tue Mar 15 22:49:11 2011, in response to Re: Liberals ARE smarter than conservatives., posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Mar 15 18:06:42 2011. One of the reasons to capture new territory is for access to more food, which was one of my reasons.And females, of course, the main driver of male aggression. There usually is a reason for violence. Violence is a goal-oriented activity. But that doesn't make it any more moral. Let's look at the human equivalent: massacring a people and taking their women. Would you call that a moral activity? >>>>as well many animals (including herbivores, like elephants) will engage in mass killing for sport. You'd be incredibly naive if you think that the animal kingdom is somehow less depraved. Are you sure that it's for sport? Did you watch the videos? And elephants aren't exactly predators... Ok, I did some research, and found out that some animals to seemingly kill for sport, but it's to teach their young how to hunt, or part of their "anything that runs is prey" instincts. Some animals do this. Predators "train." Herbivores also kill other animals that are of no harm to them. And besides, you're arguing a silly point. There is no question that there are all sorts of awful activities animals inflict on each other, and no reason to expect that they wouldn't (kill or be killed). In your defense of animal behavior you are implementing what's known as the "naturalistic fallacy"; i.e., what is natural is good. This is clearly false, while many natural things are good, nature contains many harms as well. Also be projecting your "noble beast" onto animals, you are implementing the converse fallacy, the moralistic fallacy -- if a trait is good, it is found in nature. Not so, natural selection would not give two whits about morality, all it's concerned with is success by any means. In the natural world, nice guys really do finish last. Morality was something that was built by the ground up by social species, as it serves to increase the fitness of species that can live in groups, since it is then useful and even necessary if they are able not exploit and/or kill one another. Humans are the ultimate expression of this trend, and we continue to develop better ways of treating one another. |
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