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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Aug 22 12:21:43 2008, in response to Re: Merkel and Medvedev working on New Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Aug 22 05:21:05 2008. I *never* said "don't WORRY about Germany"Correct; that was an extrapolation. I apologize for that. But your track record of trying to insert a completely unrelated reference to "Republicans" when I mention Germany in an unflattering light begs too many questions. And the whole "Republican dream" of "spreading democracy" like some cheap storefront religion has EVERYTHING to do with all of this False. That, besides being an impotent dream (which I've always criticized for the record), is not what allowed Russia to rise as it did, nor Germany as it is. Russia was "on the way back" during the 90s, when the Neocons were just a blip on the radar screen; Germany has been asserting itself since 1991, before Clinton replaced George H.W. Bush. As to US, our bankers, hosers and 419'ers rode in on a Teddy Roosevelt horse peddling junk bonds, worthless paper and scams, ripped other nations off for their resources and then pulled the rug out Um, why are those nations you speak of strong instead of weak, then? Truth is that they bought into whatever the US was selling voluntarily, and it's they who have benefited, not us, because of the political leverage it has given them over us. But you're picturing them as being set up for some sort of conquest. Joke's on you, then—and all of the USA. And your insult of TR is noted. Not to mention uncalled-for. You need to unlearn a lot of lies you've been indoctrinated with. Not to mention our continuing support of corrupt regimes which further piss off people in other places? Like ARABIA as but one example? And we WONDER why they want to kill us? You're just bristling with self-hatred today, aren't you. Guess what: All regimes are corrupt. That's human nature. If you're seeking an incorrupt human regime to "support", you'll be searching in vain. (Is this a veiled attack on Israel, too?) And "they" (so-called) also support corrupt regimes to benefit "themselves". They've been at it for far longer than the US, too, and the regimes they support are far more corrupt than those the USA supports, and more dangerous. So if you're going to venture into pot-calling-kettle-black territory, make sure you're neither pot nor kettle. (Who is Pooty-poot's biggest customer for munitions and nuke technology in Asia Minor? never mind being Russia's customer for same long before he came on the scene?) And now, we've done it to the Balkans and the Caucasus For the record, "we" in this instance is the USA being led by the nose by Germany. That's the very thing I'm warning about here. Germany's the head and we're the tail, in this matter. (Yes, I'm not denying our involvement; but I'm not going to deny the undue German influence over us either.) So we march into Iraq after going out of our way to lose Afghanistan SOLELY on the premise that "Saddam tried to kill my daddy" and that was as deep as it got? We allowed a CON MAN in Iraq to peddle all sorts of unproven shit to authorize this endeavor instead of taking care of the problem and being a "good neighbor" again with our neocon arrogance as "last remaining superpower?" Russians were the ONLY thing that kept us in line! Once they faded, did we stand down and look for peaceful solutions? Nope Still holding on to preconceptions, are we? To control Iraq, we would have had to be ten times more aggressive as we have been. But instead, pleading with the UN (as though they ruled over us) and trying to appease the anti-war crowd, never mind mixing in the PNAC's zeal to "export democracy", got us where we are today. (Besides, the UN agreed that it was justifiable to hit Iraq over the possibility of Saddam restarting a weapons program, IINM. The greater focus should have been on Iran, notwithstanding.) Remember I posted an article about Curveball a while back? A German double agent. Germany's continuing to protect him, too. It's one thing to go after those who have attacked us ... quite another to "make them up." We made up no enemies. Our problem is that we made believe that certain enemies are friends . . . And if we had to wait for someone to "attack us" (hope people start remembering Pearl Harbor again), we would have never gone to war with Germany and fought on only one front in WWII. Believe it or not, preemptive warfare is often justified. (Still and all, Georgia never attacked Russia! just to steer us back a bit on topic again. Still waiting for Pooty-poot's "justification". And Serbia never attacked Germany in the early 90s!) And even WORSE pushing Russia into a corner where they had no CHOICE but to react Bull. Nobody "pushed" Russia anywhere. Pooty-poot was a deliberate belligerent for no reason at all except his greed to bring former Soviet satellites back under Moscow's control. The only thing that can be described as "pushing" (and very thinly so) is Germany's efforts to bring said former Soviet satellites into the European Union as member states, Georgia included (and Pooty-poot just can't have that, can he? and frankly, the USA should not help Germany in that endeavor—so who's being pushy, if not those two?) You saying that the Russian Empire is a valid entity that should remain intact for perpetuity? How about the old Holy Roman Empire, then . . . ? Stratfor isn't going to mince words, you know. ANY nation (including ours) has the political responsibility to take care of their *OWN* first Tell Pooty-poot that. (Oh that's right; he does regard Georgia, Ukraine and the rest as "his own".) Tell Germany that, too. As for the US, isolationism resulted in two world wars being plonked down on our doorstep. Remember, Woodrow Wilson "Kept Us Out Of War" with his incessant dovish notes to the Kaiser . . . so why didn't the Kaiser order his U-boats to lay off the Lusitania? (There's a story about TR, your least-favorite Republican there [JK], attending one of the Wilson re-election rallies; when commenting on Wilson's pleading notes to Kaiser William, he said, "I was president for 7½ years, and if I were president today, I would send the Kaiser just one note . . . and he would know that I meant it!") Katrina? US can't even take care of our OWN ... why should any other nation put their eggs in OUR basket when all we do is steal from them and then hang them out to dry? Same old rock-and-a-hard-place thingy. This is a result of trying to please everyone. Never mind allowing (I already said who) to lead us around by the nose all the time. I already told you why other nations lend eggs to us. So that they can ask for other things in return when we can't pay them for their eggs. This is why Russia isn't worried over the various investments (non-T-bill ones) in this country, nor China, nor Germany, nor . . . you get the idea. if Obama is elected, even if he continues the "doctrine" at least he gives us a fresh start, an ability to back off from neocon "religion/politic" and the opportunity to change our ways What ways are those? We do need to change our ways, but not in the direction Obama represents (talks with Iran without preconditions? Negotiating from a position of weakness makes your enemies laugh, you know; remember Frederick the Great's admonition about "music without instruments"). We need to be more hawkish than the Neocons will ever be capable of, at this point. Right now, as far as the world is concerned, we don't even exist. That's due to our weakness, not our strength. |
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