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Re: Bidens major threat of retailiation to Iran

Posted by Stephen Bauman on Sat Apr 20 11:39:29 2024, in response to Re: Bidens major threat of retailiation to Iran, posted by chicagoMotorman on Sat Apr 20 10:18:01 2024.

In other words Israeli national suicide.

Why don't you read what former Israeli intelligence and military officials say about how Israel is committing national suicide.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-netanyahu-mossad-military-protests-cb8742ba0b0f210953669824568eab1e
In unprecedented opposition, more than 180 former senior officials from the Mossad, the Shin Bet domestic security agency, the military and the police have united against steps they say will shatter Israel’s resilience in the face of mounting threats from the West Bank, Lebanon and Iran.

“We were used to dealing with external threats,” said Tamir Pardo, a former head of Israel’s Mossad intelligence agency and a leader of the new group. “We’ve been through wars, through military operations and all of a sudden you realize that the greatest threat to the state of Israel is internal.”


More recently:
https://www.timesofisrael.com/ex-shin-bet-chief-netanyahu-unfit-for-office-leading-israel-to-its-doom/

Former head of the Shin Bet internal security service Nadav Argaman launched a full-scale assault against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in an interview with Channel 12 that was broadcast Thursday, saying Netanyahu was directly to blame for October 7, “the worst disaster since the state’s establishment,” and was leading Israel to its “doom.”

Warnings from 2003 on Israeli policies that led up to the present.
https://archive.li/WuJTf

“Netanyahu is not fit to be prime minister of Israel,” Argaman told the network’s Uvda investigative program.

Calling for swift elections, Argaman, who led the Shin Bet between 2016 and 2021, mostly under Netanyahu, argued: “Morally he cannot [run for office again]. He is responsible for a monumental failure. He is responsible. There’s no one else… Someone who does not take responsibility for a failure of this magnitude is not fit to be a leader of the Jewish people.”

Israel, he said, was “already in the abyss, and if Bibi Netanyahu does not leave office — it will be our doom… I think if the State of Israel doesn’t get its act together and fast, we’ll reach some very, very, very bad places.”

Argaman said Netanyahu was directly responsible for a policy that strengthened Hamas over the years, supplying it with millions of dollars in Qatari cash to buy calm while allowing it to build itself up for the massive attack. Argaman said that when he was leading the service, the prime minister repeatedly demurred on his proposals for aggressive policies toward Hamas, including taking out its top leadership...

"Many Israelis thought we could defeat the Palestinians by military means, and this would solve our problems," Mr. Ayalon told The New York Times in a separate interview. "But this hasn't worked. Our economy is deteriorating and we have to change directions."

The ex-security chiefs also said that peace plans calling for gradual steps were likely to fail. Neither the Israelis nor the Palestinians are prepared to take a major risk that could break the current stalemate unless they can expect a major reward, they said.

The Palestinian leadership is unlikely to crack down on violent Palestinian factions and risk a Palestinian civil war, without a guarantee that a Palestinian state will emerge, Mr. Ayalon said.

In turn, Israel is unlikely to uproot settlements in the West Bank and the Gaza Strip unless it believes the Palestinians are sincere about ending the conflict, he added.

The former Shin Bet men also said that any peace deal would require Israel to abandon most of its nearly 150 settlements, where about 230,000 Jewish settlers live in the West Bank and Gaza...


https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/netanyahu-israel-gaza-hamas-1.7010035
The Israeli leader and Hamas are deadly enemies — and allies in opposing a 2-state solution

Israelis don't agree on much, especially lately, but polling shows they mostly agree that Prime Minister Benjamin "Bibi" Netanyahu is to blame for leaving Israel unprepared for Hamas's onslaught on October 7.

The accusations aimed at Netanyahu go beyond merely failing to foresee or prevent the Hamas attack of October 7, however. Many accuse him of deliberately empowering the group for decades as part of a strategy to sabotage a two-state solution based on the principle of land for peace.

"There's been a lot of criticism of Netanyahu in Israel for instating a policy for many years of strengthening Hamas and keeping Gaza on the brink while weakening the Palestinian Authority," said Mairav Zonszein of the International Crisis Group. "And we've seen that happening very clearly on the ground."

"(Hamas and Netanyahu) are mutually reinforcing, in the sense that they provide each other with a way to continue to use force and rejectionism as opposed to making sacrifices and compromises in order to reach some kind of resolution," Zonszein told CBC News from Tel Aviv.

'Keep Hamas alive and kicking'
This symbiotic relationship between Netanyahu and Hamas has been remarked on for years, by both friends and enemies, hawks and doves.

Yuval Diskin, former head of Israel's Shin Bet security service, told the daily newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth in 2013 that "if we look at it over the years, one of the main people contributing to Hamas's strengthening has been Bibi Netanyahu, since his first term as prime minister."

In August 2019, former prime minister Ehud Barak told Israeli Army Radio that Netanyahu's "strategy is to keep Hamas alive and kicking … even at the price of abandoning the citizens [of the south] … in order to weaken the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah."

The logic underlying this strategy, Barak said, is that "it's easier with Hamas to explain to Israelis that there is no one to sit with and no one to talk to."...


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