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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Apr 21 01:02:10 2014, in response to How "Binding" is Vatican II?, posted by Mitch45 on Sun Apr 20 12:53:33 2014. If one is a Catholic, may one refuse to comply with Vatican II? Is it a "sin" if one does not comply? I've heard of "traditional" Catholics who refuse to recognize Vatican II and consider it heresy/ But if the Pope is an infallible leader of the world's Catholics, can these "traditional" Catholics not comply and not be in sin?There's two groups of "traditional" Catholics: the SSPX, which rejects Vatican II (and the Pope) and has since branched off into crazyland. They were a part of the Catholic church until the 80s when the archbishop in charge of them appointed his own bishops (something only the Pope is allowed to do). This broke church law but did not violate Apostolic succession (any bishop can make more bishops, they're just not allowed to), so in theory they could reunite rather easily (their sacraments are considered valid), but their values have diverged significantly. Then there's the less crazy type. I'm one of these "traditional" Catholics (at least when I'm not agnostic) and generally, we have nothing against Vatican II as it was written. As written, the traditional ways were not outlawed. The problem is, the "spirit of Vatican II" was used to justify forcing out the traditional ways. A lot of rules were relaxed, and parishes and bishops took it upon themselves to move to the most relaxed end of the spectrum, even to the point of physically modifying churches so the traditional method was no longer possible. For example: because the people could now receive communion standing up, the railing where people would kneel to receive was removed. Because the mass "could" be said in the vernacular, the mass "had" to be said in the vernacular. Because nuns no longer needed to wear habits, many convents effectively banned them. The funny thing is, until Vatican II, you could go to any Catholic church in the world, and follow along using your own missal in your own language. It really was the "universal church". It no longer is, and this is what makes Vatican II *as implemented* a bad idea. |
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