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Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014, in response to 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 14 13:45:20 2014. That was the start of a great deal for NJT when they got hundreds of those buses at a huge discount. They ran until the early 2000's for NJT until 1999/2000 RTS's came in. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Dec 14 14:47:19 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014. Ironic. NYCTA couldn't operate the Grumman 870's on the Staten Island side of the Bayonne, Goethals and Outerbridge Crossing, but NJ Transit could operate them on the Jersey side. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 15:04:05 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by northshore on Sun Dec 14 14:47:19 2014. Once repaired they could have stayed in NYC. NJT's gain. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 15:15:31 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 15:04:05 2014. Did they have wheelchair lifts? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Dec 14 15:20:46 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by northshore on Sun Dec 14 14:47:19 2014. No, that's not how it worked. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 15:48:47 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 15:15:31 2014. No did not need them then. |
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Posted by GonzoUSN on Sun Dec 14 16:05:11 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014. A number of the buses had front wheelchair lifts. I forgot how many. A majority of the RTS Buses that hit the streets had rear lifts on them as well. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 16:08:02 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 15:48:47 2014. How long would they have lasted with NYCTA then? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 16:14:20 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 16:08:02 2014. Taken care of mid 90's not out of the question. NJT had better roads so they got more time out of them. I rode them a lot in Jersey City they were great. |
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Posted by regent23 on Sun Dec 14 16:19:22 2014, in response to 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Dec 14 13:45:20 2014. I remember all the DC Metrobuses that came in to replace them for awhile. O remember riding a few DC fishbowls and a few old flexibles. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 16:53:13 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 16:14:20 2014. Would the lack of chair lift doomed them sooner? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 17:14:32 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 16:53:13 2014. No, the fishbowls ran in to the 90's. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 18:57:55 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 17:14:32 2014. I know but what I'm thinking of is the '77 Flxs that were run out of town with plenty of life left in them. I always suspected they met their demise for lack of lifts and the desire to boast a 100 percent accessible fleet. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 19:05:55 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 18:57:55 2014. Well I don't know why then, they would be ordered without them. Someone on here said they had wheelchair lifts or ramps, I did not see them when NJT got them. I never rode them in NY. |
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Posted by David on Sun Dec 14 19:19:44 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by GonzoUSN on Sun Dec 14 16:05:11 2014. If memory serves, 200 of the Grummans had wheelchair lifts, and yes, they were front door units. All of NYCT's RTS buses had wheelchair lifts, and they were all rear door units. NYCT's early experience with the front door lifts (on the Grummans) turned the agency off of front door lifts for many years. The front door lifts on the Grummans took a pounding from the roads and from accidents in the area of the front door.David |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 19:45:36 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 19:05:55 2014. I'm certainly not picking on you but just throwing ideas out there. Everyone is so poetic about those things but had they not been pulled they would have done 11, 12, or maybe 13 years. However, if the order was successful that could have lead to more contracts with that Metro. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 20:00:58 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 19:45:36 2014. Well they did order 50 more buses with Flx it was not Grumman then, but they went out of business before the order was built. Orion got that order. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 21:07:43 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 20:00:58 2014. They did. Imagine if they had ordered them ten years earlier. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 00:50:35 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014. NJTransit bought 620 of them |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 00:53:06 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Dec 14 15:15:31 2014. The last 200 of them were lift equipped NYCTA #453-552, and MABSTOA #811-910. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 00:54:14 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by GonzoUSN on Sun Dec 14 16:05:11 2014. All RTS purchased by NYCTA were lift equipped. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Dec 15 01:09:26 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 00:53:06 2014. Thank you |
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Posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:50:07 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014. The infamous A-frame issue. Grumman repaired the buses in 1980-81 and they went back into service in New York City. The 870's were pulled off the road in NYC for good in 1984 by new TA president David Gunn after a bus caught fire in Manhattan. According to Dr. Robert Ebert's history of Flxible, the fire was later found to have been caused by deferred maintenance and was unrelated to the early defective design. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 12:24:50 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 00:53:06 2014. You're welcome. Also... These buses were those undelivered buses when the TA first pulled the Grumman 870s from the streets. They (along with those for the DOT Privates) rec'd their A-frame retrofit prior to delivery. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 15 18:09:10 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:50:07 2014. Yes, there was no need for them to come out of service. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 19:47:43 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 15 18:09:10 2014. Yeah, the feds knew this too, which is why they weren't at all buying the TA's BS excuses.It was clear that the A-frame problem was that of Grumman, but the TA was intent on making Grumman the scapegoat for their own maintenance shortcomings. |
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Posted by busdude2 on Mon Dec 15 19:50:59 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 19:47:43 2014. Exactly right. As a NJT rider at the time I was glad we got them, at a nice discount too. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 15 21:15:38 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by busdude2 on Sun Dec 14 14:33:16 2014. This was not related to that. All operators had to park their 870s (2,656 were parked in all). |
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Posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 22:35:59 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Dec 15 21:15:38 2014. I believe this number (2,656) is the total number of 870s that had to have their A-frame retrofitted, but not the number of buses actually pulled from service. Some of those buses had not yet been delivered including the final 200 (the lift-equipped buses) for NYCTA, and the PBL's 870s. |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Dec 15 22:50:59 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 22:35:59 2014. Did hey all have 6-71 dd or did some have 6-92? |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Dec 16 00:34:39 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Railbus63 on Mon Dec 15 09:50:07 2014. What deferred maintenance was the cause of the fire? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 01:33:25 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Mon Dec 15 19:47:43 2014. It was a "Gunn" thing...saber rattling to show who was in charge.What he did was screw us over,until the replacements came in. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 16 08:26:26 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 01:33:25 2014. And screwed you were. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Tue Dec 16 11:01:26 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 01:33:25 2014. Yes, I remember David Gun. Funny thing is that he later served as the General Manager of WMATA at the time when they were buying several orders of Flxible Metros. |
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Posted by boliqua2 on Tue Dec 16 18:51:23 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by fishbowls4ever on Mon Dec 15 22:50:59 2014. All the NYCTA and MABSTOA Grummans had 6v71s. The private DOT order had 8v71s. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 19:49:51 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue Dec 16 08:26:26 2014. So..we had a car,and you're an asshole. |
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Posted by GonzoUSN on Tue Dec 16 22:24:57 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by GonzoUSN on Sun Dec 14 16:05:11 2014. If I recall, the RTS that Chicago ran when I was in the Navy in the early 90's were modified to have front lifts. |
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Posted by GonzoUSN on Tue Dec 16 22:29:22 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by regent23 on Sun Dec 14 16:19:22 2014. I remember those old DC Metro buses. They took a pounding up here and a few never went back to DC. Were those spare buses? |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 17 09:46:51 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by GonzoUSN on Tue Dec 16 22:24:57 2014. Correct. My understanding is that CTA and other transit agencies were interested in the RTS, but wanted no part of a rear door lift. The RTS design was modified to create the 08 (and later WFD) series which could accomodate a front door lift. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 17 09:57:25 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by GonzoUSN on Tue Dec 16 22:29:22 2014. NYCTA lost two WMATA buses (and some of their own) when part of the Edgewater Depot pier collapsed into the harbor. Since they lost one WMATA Flxible, and GMC new look... When the WMATA buses were returned... NYCTA "reimbursed" WMATA with two of their own buses - A GMC T6H-5305A, and a '70 Flxible. I think it was #8800, and #4000. WMATA painted the buses into their color scheme, but left the seating as is for service. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 17 13:00:16 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Edwards! on Tue Dec 16 19:49:51 2014. How does having a car help? No, I'm not an asshole. But you're an idiot and a racist. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Dec 17 18:48:22 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 17 09:57:25 2014. Thought about the same incident. Think those were the right bus numbers. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed Dec 17 20:17:07 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by WayneJay on Wed Dec 17 09:57:25 2014. Are they still underwater? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Wed Dec 17 20:44:04 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by B53RICH on Wed Dec 17 18:48:22 2014. I thought that bus order started at number 8801. |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Dec 17 21:02:51 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by regent23 on Sun Dec 14 16:19:22 2014. A bulk of them were assigned to staten island and Manhattan. Never saw them assigned to Brooklyn |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 17 21:20:39 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Dec 17 13:00:16 2014. Well,since you are a asshole troll,why explain what you couldn't possibly understand?Asshole. |
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Posted by northshore on Wed Dec 17 21:29:13 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by caine515 on Wed Dec 17 21:02:51 2014. Queens had loads of them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 00:37:20 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Edwards! on Wed Dec 17 21:20:39 2014. It's "AN" asshole, you asshole. Anyhow, no, I'm not an asshole. But you're an idiot and a racist. And having a car does not help. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Dec 18 01:29:57 2014, in response to Re: 12/13/1980 Grumman buses off the road, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 18 00:37:20 2014. Asshole.You are an giant asshole. A asshole. |
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