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Old Bus Ways

Posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Sat May 26 07:10:10 2007

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I have a question regarding how the buses used to work.

1. Today I notice so many people from the train transfer over to the bus to go to work and vice versa when going to work. How did these passengers used to use the subway BEFORE METROCard? Especially those that live in parts of the city that makes it absolutely necessary for a bus/subway commute.

2. I definetely remember the bus to bus transfer was possible. I remember those little oragne tickets. However,I only remember seeing very few of them. Like 50 at most. What would a passenger do if it ran out?

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by julie_profumo on Sat May 26 07:15:48 2007, in response to Old Bus Ways, posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Sat May 26 07:10:10 2007.

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In answer to your first question, they paid two fares.

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 26 08:04:31 2007, in response to Old Bus Ways, posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Sat May 26 07:10:10 2007.

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If you needed a bus/subway commute you paid two fares. There was no other way, except some stations (like Rockaway Pkwy with the B42 and 3 Av/149 St with the Bx55 and some others) had a system that allowed you to make the transfer for free. The B42 stopped (and still does stop) within fare control of the Rkwy Pkwy station so that nobody gets charged another fare.

There was also a system with the B46 at Utica Ave (3 and 4 subway station). You used to be able to get a free ticket back if you paid a certain amount on the way, that saved about a dollar a day I think. I don't think it lasted too long beause MetroCard came out soon afterward.

As for the orange (and blue, depending on direction) tickets, I never recall them running out. They always had plenty to go around, and I think that if those that were stapled to the dashboard disappeared, there were always more on reserve. I liked it when the driver was too lazy to cut them off at a specific time, so you would sometimes be able to use them any time you wanted until "6AM Next Day!" The bad thing was that the drivers who took the transfer would look at them to make sure they were valid (and from a valid route as you could not use them anywhere as you can now). That was annoying. Now, however, if I only have cash, I can get on a Brooklyn bus, take the LIRR out to Queens, and use the transfer on a Queens bus, a much better system!

As for paying 2 fares, however, (bus to subway), I think the highest fare there was with this system was $1.25, so it meant $2.50.

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by andy on Sat May 26 11:52:29 2007, in response to Old Bus Ways, posted by Channel 7 Eyewitness News on Sat May 26 07:10:10 2007.

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The bus to bus transfer system evolved from a borough-only system (Brooklyn, Queens, S.I. only) or Queens privates only. It was basically like this:

Before 1975:
TA bus divisions in Queens, Brooklyn, and S.I. had their own borough-division only transfers, that were limited to certain routes and certain intersections. For example, in Jamaica one could not transfer from a Queens Division bus (say Q5) to a Brooklyn Division bus (say Q56, then B56).
MABSTOA had no transfers at all - each trip was a separate fare. This was inherited from the former private operator, Fifth Ave. Coach, that gave way to MABSTOA in 1962.
The Queens privates exchanged transfers within each individual company only. (Green to Green, Queens Transit to Queens Transit, Triboro to Triboro, etc.). No inter-company tranfers, even between the Cooper family companies.

After 1975:
TA had two classes of transfers - the older free transfer points asdescribed above, and an Add-A-Ride whereby for another half fare one could get a transfer to a MABSTOA route or a TA route that formerly did not exchange transfers.

After 1981:
TA and MABSTOA finally got one, universal free transfer that allowed transfers at designated points between both systems.

Around 1987 or so (don't remember exact year): Above system was expanded to included all private local routes (Command Bus plus the Queens privates). Continued to be a paper tear off transfer that listed all transfer points - often quite lengthy!


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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by PATHman on Sat May 26 12:34:25 2007, in response to Re: Old Bus Ways, posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 26 08:04:31 2007.

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There was also a system with the B46 at Utica Avenue (3 and 4 subway station). You used to be able to get a free ticket back if you paid a certain amount on the way, that saved about a dollar a day I think.

They also had that on the Q4/5/42/83/84/85. If you were heading to Parsons/Archer you would pay $1.50 for the trip there and get a $.25 ticket for the trip back.

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 26 13:33:14 2007, in response to Re: Old Bus Ways, posted by PATHman on Sat May 26 12:34:25 2007.

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So instead of paying $2.50 ($1.25 each way) you paid $1.50 once and saved a dollar.

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by b1bus on Sun May 27 02:13:25 2007, in response to Re: Old Bus Ways, posted by PATHman on Sat May 26 12:34:25 2007.

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And the B74.

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Re: Old Bus Ways

Posted by SubBus aka ENY Local on Sun May 27 03:12:31 2007, in response to Re: Old Bus Ways, posted by PATHman on Sat May 26 12:34:25 2007.

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That was to lure people off dollar vans. I remember the B46 one because I lived in the neighborhood. This program started the same time as the B46 Limited nearly a deacde ago........

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