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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 24 22:38:25 2007, in response to More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Sat Feb 24 17:37:25 2007. They should allow Bee-Line to pick up inbound and drop off outbound, within the NY City limits. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Feb 24 23:37:58 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by italianstallion on Sat Feb 24 22:38:25 2007. That's only half-true. All Bee-Line routes are pickup to Westchester and drop-off from Westchester in NYC EXCEPT for the following:w45 within Pelham Bay Park w60,61,62 along Boston Road (NOT along Fordham) All other routes are LIB-style pickup only heading out, dropoff only coming in. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 25 02:00:38 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Feb 24 23:37:58 2007. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 25 12:22:29 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 25 02:00:38 2007. It's probably part of the franchise agreements between the bus operators and NYC DOT. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Feb 25 16:27:35 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 25 02:00:38 2007. Ive been on the 45 and the 60/61/62 and I see it first-hand. I believe its because parts of their routes are the only service available for a particular area in the Bronx. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 25 16:31:03 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Feb 25 16:27:35 2007. I think her concern is the opposite -- why don't ALL the Bee-Line routes do this. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 25 23:46:16 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by italianstallion on Sun Feb 25 16:31:03 2007. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 26 00:31:37 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Feb 25 23:46:16 2007. Sorry. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Mon Feb 26 08:19:03 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sun Feb 25 16:27:35 2007. That would be correct. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 26 09:20:25 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Sat Feb 24 23:37:58 2007. False, only Route 3 bars AM drop-offs in the Bronx from VCP and pick-ups towards VCP.And where does it say that you cannot use the 60/61/62 to travel along Fordham Road only? |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 26 10:43:52 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 26 09:20:25 2007. There are no Bee-Line bus stop signs posted on Broadway southbound from the Yonkers line to 242nd St -- only northbound. This leads me to believe that the only pickups allowed are northbound, for all the Westchester ruotes on that stretch. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 26 21:34:38 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 26 09:20:25 2007. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 26 22:45:39 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 26 21:34:38 2007. The "signage" is that there are no Westchester Bus Stop signs city-bound, within NYC limits, at least on Broadway. Are there on Fordham Road? |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:10:51 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 26 22:45:39 2007. They can use a bus stop, can't they?The W1/2 routes share the same bus stops as the Bx9 on Broadway. If there are no signs on Broadway then how are drop-offs are made? The 60/61/62 share the same bus stops on Fordham Road |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:13:48 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 26 10:43:52 2007. Look at what you just said:This leads me to believe So, you like to post stuff without any facts to back you up? Show me any timetable, outside of Route 3, that stipulates that northbound dropoffs and southbound pickups in the Bronx are not allowed. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 27 13:02:40 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:10:51 2007. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Tue Feb 27 16:59:53 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Feb 26 09:20:25 2007. Maybe I phrased it wrong, but every time I ride on the 60/61/62 stretch, people that get on those buses heading NB get off at Pelham Pkwy and Boston Rd at the earliest and heading SB thats the last stop youll see anyone getting on because the Bx12 and 22 overlap past that point. Besides, why the hell would you put money in WC's pockets if a NYCT bus can get you to the same place with better headways? |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 27 17:51:04 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:10:51 2007. Drop-offs are made at the NYCTA bus stops. I have personally observed Bee-Line buses failing to stop for passengers waiting at southbound BX9 stops on Broadway. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Tue Feb 27 18:46:29 2007, in response to More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Sat Feb 24 17:37:25 2007. As someone who rode the system for 19 years, I can tell you that only the 60, and 61 can drop off and pick up in the Bronx. The 60, and 61, can pick up and drop off along Bostn RD, both directions. They cannot pickup going Fordham bound on the Pelham P'way/Fordham Rd. Going NB (Westchester bound) they cannot drop off along Fordham Rd. I believe the reason why they can drop off and pick up along Boston Rd., is the lack of frequent service along Boston RD (less NYCTA bus lines). So WCDOT, and NYCDOT has an agreement there. That is why there used to be a surcharge on these two routes.As For the 1, 1C, 1T, 1W, 2, 3, 4, 20, 20X, 21, 25, 26, 41, 42, 53, 55, and any that I might have missed, drop off only going S/B in Bronx County, and Pick-up only N/B, until they enter Westchester County. Last forget the 60, or 61 becoming a supplement to the Bx12, Bx12 Limited, and Bx22. They have those 60ft arctics, and can accomodate their passenger loads. Besides the Bee-Line customers in Westchester will be inconvienenced, by the additional time it would take for the 60, and 61 to show up. MetroCard is being imposed to make it convienent for those who use both systems, which alot of riders do. Not to add more buses for NYC residents, to ride within NYC. That is what the MTA is for. Remember the Bee-Line ran the 90 bus route to Playland. The reason why it was discontinued was because the Bronx residents were destoying the interior of the buses. I was working at Playland (ride operator), when they were talking of discontinuing the service. The Yonkers, Mt.Vernon, and New Rochelle school kids do enough destroying of the buses. At least they used to, until cameras were installed on the buses. On News 12 Westchester, County Executive Andy Spano said the Bee-Line will lose 3 million dollars, in revenue, but that will be offset by the MTA, and state. So forget additional service, to service Bronx resident within the Bronx. The Yonkers Raceway is generating alot of revenue for Yonkers, Westchester, and NY State. That is why the additional service is provided there. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 27 19:07:54 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Tue Feb 27 18:46:29 2007. Thank you for demonstrating that most Bee-Line buses do not drop off Westchester-bound and do not pick up Bronx-bound, within NYC. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 27 19:12:58 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Tue Feb 27 18:46:29 2007. The exact reason why the 60, 61, and 62 also, operate local along Boston Road is because Boston Road between Gun Hill Road and Pelham Parkway lost its MTA service in the big Bronx route blowup around 1984, when the old Bx7 (which ran via Boston Road) was discontinued. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 27 19:14:21 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:10:51 2007. However, the 1 and 2 do not carry local passengers within city limits. Only the 60, 61, and 62 do. (Bee Line uses existing MTA stops for dropoffs made. There are no signs on Broadway southbound because no pickups are made.) |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 27 19:16:15 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Feb 27 09:13:48 2007. It isn't stated in the timetables. It is only posted internally. No one here would have the documents. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 27 19:40:39 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Tue Feb 27 16:59:53 2007. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by italianstallion on Tue Feb 27 19:56:04 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Kriston Lewis on Tue Feb 27 19:40:39 2007. Whether or not Bee-Line "says so" doesn't matter if the bus drivers won't pick you up! |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Feb 27 20:06:07 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Tue Feb 27 18:46:29 2007. I would think that 62 would be in the same category as 60 and 61 since 62 is also local in the Bronx (unless they want to "speed up the trip" by stopping local trips along Boston Road)Remember the Bee-Line ran the 90 bus route to Playland. The reason why it was discontinued was because the Bronx residents were destoying the interior of the buses. Dumb reason, by the same reasoning why have 60, 61 and 62 run to the Bronx at all then? Also why not discontinue all playland service then. It is unfair to single out the Bronx for this (since bee line IS supposed to link the two counties). There also was a 93 that went from Co Op City to Playland which was discontinued several years ago. Was it discontinued for the same reason as well? Last forget the 60, or 61 becoming a supplement to the Bx12, Bx12 Limited, and Bx22. They have those 60ft arctics, and can accomodate their passenger loads. Bx12 can accommodate it's riders (during peak usage times)? With people standing past the white line? Meanwhile 61 runs artics with few people on them (and more seats than the Bx12). Many people do take the Bx12 to White Plains Road (2),(5), Bx39 Some even go to Eastchester Road Bx31. It will likely become an unofficial Fordham Road LIMITED stops bus(even if not intended) for those who board near Pelham Parkway, thus getting a quicker trip to Fordham Plaza (would speed up the Bx12 as well with less people crowding the bus at White Plains Road). It would be nice if 42 should were open door in the Bronx at least north of 238th Street(where N/B Bx41 turns off White Plains Road). Bx41 and (2) end at 241 Street, and there is at least one more bus stop on White Plains Road (about 2-3 blocks up) which is NOT served by NYCT at all. It would a bit be more convenient for those who currently have to walk a few blocks to get to the (2) or the Bx41 to be able to use the 42 bus if they see it coming and (only because NYCT doesn't exactly service upper White Plains Road). Speaking of the 42, the schedules generally discourage using it to transfer to/from the 40(and some 41s) to/from Mount Vernon. Weekends are even worse where one bus get to the area 5 minutes after the other bus has left, meaning that transferring to/from the 40/42 can take 15-25 minutes in just waiting for the next bus. If Bee Line wants the 40 to be better used off peak, they should consider extending it to 241 St(at least when 41 isn't running). 40/41 is the quickest way by bus to travel to/from Bronx and White Plains. This would become more valuable if Metro North goes on strike. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Feb 27 20:47:56 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Tue Feb 27 16:59:53 2007. Well if the Bx12 has only room by the driver near the white line, and the 61 has only 6 people on the bus and you can use either bus (going to at least White Plains Road), what bus would you use.I also see a possible drop in Bx30 passengers along Boston Road since those needing to transfer to a subway or a bus can also use the 60 and 61 (and to a lesser extend 62). |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 16:27:28 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Tue Feb 27 20:06:07 2007. Why is it a dumb reason to not run the 90, but run the 60, 61, and 62? Different type of riders ride. I worked at RYE Playland, and I am telling you those whio ride the buses during this time are not the same type of riders, who ride to work on the 60, 61, and 62. Besides, the Bee-Line did not have to run that line at all. That was an agreement B/W NYCDOT, and WCDOT at that time. The 90 I do not recall ever stopping in New Rochelle. It basically served The Bronx, while the 91 served Yonkers, Mt. Vernon, and New Rochelle. I rode the 91 to work when I worked at Playland. While the 92 had one bus at night, and the 91 one arctic, and one standard, the 90 had six or more arctic buses. Now, if you want to get to Playland, take MNRR to RYE, and get the 75 Express bus.For those of you who complain about the Bx 12, 22, and the 60 riding with a few people, so what. It is a Westchester Bee-Line bus, funded by the WCDOT, not NYCDOT. So that argument is mute. NYCTA needs to get more buses to serve NYC then. Westchester does not need to add the service. The Bee-line is for Westchester County. That is a fact. If NYCDOT wants to pay Westchester for that service, then that would be a different story. Customers in Westchester do not need an increased wait in time, because to 60 is doing NYCTA buses work in NYC. NYC pays the MTA 500 million a year for NYCTA buses, and subways. Throw a few million Weschesters way, and we would be glad to give the supplemental service. Last only poster who live in NYC and are used to the six minute wait for buses complain about the frequency of service. Here in Westchester most people drive. The bus is not something that is relied upon, except by people in the poorer part of the County. So if any routes will get an increase it will be those routes (2, 7, 20, 42,etc.) Hell, the buses do not run on X-mas, or Thanks (for taking our land), Giving (us a reservation). So the buses will be ran in a cost effective way, or property taxes go up to pay for the waste. I agree the 40 need to go to the Bronx. I have questioned why does it not. 241st, is at the border. A Football quarterback can throw the pigskin into Westchester. I also agree the Bee-Line suppose to link the 2 counties. It suppose to link Westchester with The Bronx, but not necessarily The Bronx with Westchester. So that is why the 90 should have never ran, IMO. It served the Bronx. The 91, and 92 served Westchester. MNRR to Rye RR station, then take the 75 express, to get to Playland. By the way the county police had to put undercover officers on the 91, due to the Mt.Vernon younger workers, who were smoking, drinking, and acting an ass on the bus. A police car tailed the bus too. The 91 has to run due to it serves Westchester. The 90 did not (it only picked up in the Bx, and went express to Playland, and Picked up in playland, and went express to the Bx). I propose the NYCTA, ask for permission to run express buses to Playland, during the summer. It would be cheaper than MNRR to the Bee-Line. WCDOT does run the 4C into Manhattan, so the BxW1 should have the courtesy to run into Playland. Last I would like to see the NYCTA run routes into Westchester so we can be better served. Maybe then the Bx7, Bx9, Bx10 would run into downtown Yonkers, the Bx41 into Mt. Vernon RR. The Bx2 should be rerouted and use VCP West and South, and go to B'Way, and run North to downtown Yonkers. Oh wait that system is funded by NYC residents, for NYC, just as the Bee-Line is funded by Westchester residents, for Westchester. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Wed Feb 28 21:59:37 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Feb 27 19:12:58 2007. That old BX7 though ran once an hour and most times the W60 was a lot quicker with a 20 minute headway to Fordham...We took it as kids from Boston/Eastchester Rd to Allerton Av and it was a matter of which came first with it being more than likely the W60. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by IRT Rules on Wed Feb 28 22:05:29 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 16:27:28 2007. The W90 was a popular route in the summer. And when I saw it the bus was always jammed to capacity. Its a shame that is was discontinued but as Futuremotorman said it was like a no holds bar free for all in there. The bus did run more frequently (using artics) then the ones serving Westchester County residents. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 22:20:00 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by IRT Rules on Wed Feb 28 22:05:29 2007. Thank you. Believe me the county would not had given up on that route, given the ridership during the summer. They ran that line to get NYC customer to spend money at Playland. Like I said, when the park closed and the employees went home, the 92 had one standard bus, carrying about 5 people. The 91 had one arctic, and 1 standard. The 90 had six or more arctics. The unruly Bronx customers lead to the demise of that line. Guess the money they brought to the park, did not offset the cost of fixing the bus after they destroyed it.Like I mentioned, the 91 at a point had county police undercover officers on the bus, and a marked car followed the bus until the Yonkers border. The Mt. Vernon, and New Rochelle young workers were constantly going at it. Only 3-4 of us were left going to Yonkers, after leaving Mt. Vernon. I take it undercover cops rode the 90, after complaints, and buses being torn up, and the WCDOT said to themselves, this line does not serve our residents, so discontinue it. That they done. So now it is Metro north to Rye, and the 75 to Playland. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 28 22:47:14 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 22:20:00 2007. I don't understand police work, but why wouldn't they put a Uniformed cop on the bus? That would prevent trouble more than an undercover. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 23:10:38 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by italianstallion on Wed Feb 28 22:47:14 2007. They were trying to catch the culprits, who were acting up, not prevent it. If they arrested them, they would be fired from Playland, and would most likely not be on the bus anymore. Some were fired, one I remember in particular. The bus got alot quiter after he was dismissed.Besides that would look bad to customers who ride the bus to Playland with there kids. They would think that the bus is that dangerous, that a cop has to be on board, and that leads to the sterotype of who is in the park. They would not come back. An undercover cop, arresting someone would look like something that "just happened". Now a smart person would question why an undercover cop needs to be on there, and would realize the bus is that dangerous. Most won't think like that, though. |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Mar 1 00:41:18 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 16:27:28 2007. Do you know why route 93 was discontinued? Did they mess up the interiors on that bus too?The reverse commuters who use Westchester help the county though and Bee Line gets lots of Bronx ridership going to/from Westchester. Westchester doesn't have to add buses for Fordham Road, existing buses will automatically add capacity by default (basically it will be a matter of what ever bus shows up first between 12, 12 LTD, 22, 60, 61, and 62). I am just stating what might happen, I seriously doubt many people will let the 60 bus go by if no 12 buses show up(if they can use either bus). Also what about Boston Road? That's another situation right there. There Route 60 isn't "supplemental" service, but primary service (below Gun Hill Road) since NYCT discontinued service years ago, and it IS open door. People currently use 60 for NYC trips already, it will be like NYCT buses getting metro card with the increased usage because their ride will be "free". In this case NYCT already gave up on much of the corridor and only Bee Line is left to service the lower portion. Hopefully MTA won't try and cut any Bx30 bus service in the future (or worse discontinue the route if ridership manages to fall), that would put more pressure on 60 and 61[and to a lesser extent 62]to pick up the slack (they did this stuff in the 1980s) Basically Westchester will win(if they don't add any service) because won't they get paid for each new MetroCard dip, MTA funding and increased state funding? NYCT tried running buses in Westchester(Bx34), some Mt Vernon officials claimed it would damage their streets. Also NYCDOT and MTA Bus funds the BxM3 which DOES run into Getty Square. So Westchester County isn't the only one funding service outside it's boundaries. Also, the Bx16 does have a stop in Mount Vernon. Also Metro North receives more subsidies than NYCT (in terms of percent of ridership). |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 01:35:32 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Mar 1 00:41:18 2007. We can go back and forth, the fact is the Bee-line will not do anymore in NYC than it already does. Too many of you are thinking MetroCard coming to the Bee-Line, will mean Bee-Line will start doing NYCTA buses work. It won't. It is funded by Westchester and Westchester taxpayers, it is simple as that. MetroCard is being brought here, due to the fact that Westchester residents who use the Bee-line also use the NYC buses and subways. It makes it easier for them. The 60, 61 , and 62 is doing a service for NYCDOT, which NYCDOT has to pay WCDOT for. Nothing comes free.Like I said if the MTA, or NYCDOT wants to pay the WCDOT for supplemental service, then that is fine with us Westchester residents. The people waiting in New Rochelle, Pelham etc, do not need to wait longer for a 60 bus, that is picking up and dropping off along Pelham P'way/Fordham Rd. Last for the BxM3 Westchester does pay for that service, as Westchester pays for Metro-North service. Like I said nothing comes free. The MTA would stop the bus at the border (where the Bx9 stops), if this was not the case. Maybe since the 60, 61 ,and 62 serves Boston Rd, in the Bronx, the WCDOT got the BxM3 into Yonkers. Even trade. The Bx16 has a stop at the border, that is still technically NYC, just as the Bx34 end so close to Yonkers, that I could throw a brick like a school girl, and smash the window, while still being in Yonkers. The border lines are crooked not straight. Again MetroCard is just a new way for Westchester Bee-line riders to pay, and transfer to NYCTA transportation, and vice-versa. As long as the WCDOT runs the Bee-Line, the buses will run as is. MetroCard will change nothing, especially like doing NYCTA buses jobs, in the Bronx (except Boston Rd). Customers here do not need to wait longer, as the headways suck as is. Last the 93 was discontinued due to low/empty ridership. The 92 should go bye-bye due to this also, but there is no good alternative from White Plains, except taking the 13 to the 76. When the 91 did not run (as it use to start in late June) and Playland opened in May, I had to take 3 buses, Mon-Fri (3, to the 13, to the 76), and 4 buses on Sunday to get there (25, to the, 20, to the 13 which I waited an hour for, to the 76, which I waited another hour for). I see you state what might happen, but it won't and I am telling you why, just as other have tried. MetroCard does not make the Bee-Line part of MTA, or NYCTA, nor will it. It just means a MetroCard farebox will be in a Westchester County owned and operated bus, to make it convienent for those who use to both systems. That is it. If the MTA were to take over the Bee-Line, then huge changes like what you state might happen, would happen. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 1 01:53:28 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 16:27:28 2007. A heck of a lot of non-NYC residents ride NYCT services.Including Westchester residents who ride Bee-Line and transfer to the NYC subway. Which they will soon be able to do on a single fare. Who's funding that? |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 02:00:19 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 1 01:53:28 2007. NYC residents with the 500+ million a years to the MTA, for NYCTA, and 200+ million (or whatever it is) for MTA bus. That is why I agree with the mayors of NYC to bring back the commuter tax. If you live outside of NYC, but work in NYC, you pay the tax. Fair and Simple. I live in Yonkers, but work in NYC, as a MaBSTOA B/O, and would pay the tax. So be it. Politics let that go which was stupid. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 02:04:13 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 1 01:53:28 2007. You are right, but before MetroCard they paid two seperate fares. So NYCTA did not get hurt by this. With MetroCard, Westchester loses 3 million a year, and MTA gains since most of the MetroCard sales, and fares here will go to the MTA. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 1 02:08:20 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 02:00:19 2007. I can't disagree with you there. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Thu Mar 1 02:11:34 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 02:04:13 2007. Are you sure? I thought the usual arrangement (e.g., with the old PBL's) is that whichever agency collects the actual fare (i.e., the first dip) gets to keep it, while the agency that gets the transfer (i.e., the second dip) gets nothing. So on inbound BL/NYCT trips, NYCT would get nothing, while on outbound trips, BL would get nothing.In other words, NYCT is giving up half of its fare revenue and BL is giving up close to half of its. Or is the money being handled differently this time? |
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Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Thu Mar 1 03:18:29 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Thu Mar 1 01:35:32 2007. By Bee Line being like NYCT with Metro Card I meant that when NYCT got Metro Card gold in 1997 bus ridership increased. Some people who normally wouldn't use the bus(double fare zones bus/subway) and walked would begin using the bus to the subway. This could happen on Boston Road (where some people don't currently use Bee Line to the subway, because of the double fare). I didn't mean that Bee Line would be come a part of the MTA (although MTA is controlling their fare collection though).The people waiting in New Rochelle, Pelham etc, do not need to wait longer for a 60 bus, that is picking up and dropping off along Pelham P'way/Fordham Rd. You think I meant that 60, 61 and 62 would be open door along Fordham Road? That is not what I meant. I was assuming that the people would be riding from the last open door stop near Pelham Parkway on Boston Road going drop off only to Fordham westbound (with a much quicker ride since no one else would be getting on), but this is less likely since the bus stops(12/12 LTD, 22, 60/61/62) near Pelham Parkway are in separate areas and may not matter anyway. Eastbound going to Boston Road I'm assuming people would be riding to the first open door stop (pick up only along Fordham Road, NOT open door) and other places where they could make bus connections(like Bx31) if the 60 showed up (which could also be done with Bx12). What can WDOT do to stop this? Cut Bronx bus service? Demand more funding from NYCDOT for using existing service? The open door policy on Boston Road (and not Fordham Road) can be used to go "Crosstown" or to connect to other buses(like the Bx25/Bx26/Bx38/Bx30). This will count as an increase in "Boston Road" passengers to WDOT though. Those people(Pelham, New Rochelle, etc) will be waiting longer for a 60/61 bus due to more people boarding on Boston Road (both directions) and Fordham Road(Eastbound only). WDOT will get their funding due to the increased dips on the existing service(assuming the funding agreement between MTA and WDOT is the same as the funding agreement between MTA, NYCDOT and the private bus lanes(NYBS, LLE, QS, etc). Maybe WDOT should place a sign on the inside of the 60/61/62 buses stating the closed door policy on Fordham Road. The Bx16 has a stop at the border, that is still technically NYC The Bus stop is on Sandford Boulevard (West 6th Street) and South 11th Avenue, Mount Vernon. Go and check, the street signs also say Sandford and S 11th. The other side of the border is NYC. Mundy Lane (Street in which Bx16 runs on) is the border. This also means the 54 "Mount Vernon Local" also runs in the Bronx for a bit as well, stopping at Nereid Avenue (East 238th Street)/West 5th Street and East 241st Street/West 4th Street. In Mount Vernon on one side, in the Bronx on the other |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 1 11:14:38 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 23:10:38 2007. That, and if they were arrested and fired, they would probably be forever barred from ever working in government again (i.e., that employee can forget about working for the city if (s)he moved there.) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Mar 1 11:17:10 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Wed Feb 28 16:27:28 2007. If RBA ever gets implemented (which would require the state to dissovle the NYCTA), then former NYCTA routes would probably run to downtown Yonkers and Mount Vernon, and possibly the Bx16 to New Rochelle. |
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Posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Mar 1 16:18:39 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by IRT Rules on Wed Feb 28 22:05:29 2007. the W90 was discontinued? Thats not what NYCDOT thinks...
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Posted by mailmannaz on Fri Mar 2 15:49:31 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Mar 1 16:18:39 2007. Where is that sign at for the W90? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 2 15:57:27 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by mailmannaz on Fri Mar 2 15:49:31 2007. I could be wrong, but it looks like Fordham Road, just east of Jerome Ave. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Mar 2 20:59:23 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Mar 2 15:57:27 2007. |
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Posted by Future Motorman on Sat Mar 3 02:33:03 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by (4) Lexington Av Exp on Thu Mar 1 16:18:39 2007. The NYCDOT has put up quite a few wrong, and discontinued bus signs. The Union when I was in KB talked about one being put up on the Bx9, when that stop was moved. The Union took it down, but got in trouble for doing so. The NYCDOT uses old paperwork, from the various agencies. Heck at 179/Boston Rd, there was only a sign for the Bx9. Now they have the Bx36 added to that one. Took them long enough. On the Bx2, there is a stop at 162st (if I recall the street correctly), that had a bus stop there. I was told that that stop is discontinued, but it still remained there. |
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Posted by ryogaridestheMTA on Sat Mar 3 08:05:44 2007, in response to Re: More W20 Service Added to Accommodate New Bus Riders Headed for Yonkers Raceway, posted by Future Motorman on Sat Mar 3 02:33:03 2007. They also had Washington Heights-bound Bx36 signs around Hugh Grant Circle at these stops:--by Duane Reade/Virginia Avenue (current Queens-bound Q44 stop) --by Chase Manhattan Bank and Zaro's/Metropolitan Avenue (current West Farms-bound Q44/Hub-bound Bx4 stop) --and at McGraw Avenue/White Plains Road/Service Road (current West Farms-bound Q44 stop) I think it was the old routing via Grant Circle (although I don't recall a stop in front of Duane Reade). They have since removed the signs, leaving a horrendous gap in those signs. Worse yet, at the current Washington Heights-bound Bx36 stop on White Plains Road and Westchester Avenue, there is no mention of the Bx36. Only the Bx39 sign is displayed. It looks like they will not be putting one up in the near future cause they have sealed the sign off with a white "stop name" sign under the Bx39 sign with no room for expansion. |
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