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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Mar 30 10:11:45 2023 Tuscarora Surface Almanac – March 30, 1986 – The Book of First Runs Manhattan, New York Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority Manhattan Division The M-106 42nd Street Crosstown bus is re-designated M-42. Source: New York Division Bulletin / September 2002 / article by Mr. Bernard Linder Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Mar 30 13:34:41 2023, in response to Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Thu Mar 30 10:11:45 2023. Wasn't it at this time that the 12th Avenue branch of M16 34th Street Crosstown was rebranded M34 in anticipation of the Javits Center opening (as this change was)? |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 31 12:47:51 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by W.B. on Thu Mar 30 13:34:41 2023. WB: The M-16 operated for many years as the 34th Street Crosstown.There were actually two routes. One ran across 34th Street all the way to 12th Avenue. The other ran to West 42nd Street and 12th Avenue via 8th Avenue northbound and 9th Avenue southbound. This was the main route and ran at all times. The service to 12th-34th ran only from 7AM to 7PM. The direct route across 34th Street was re-designated M-34 in April 1986. The route to W. 42 St. remained the M-16. However in September 1995 it was cut back to the PABT due to a financial crisis. Both routes became SBS in 2011. The direct route remained the M-34. The branch up to the PABT became the M-34 A. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Mar 31 15:27:18 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 31 12:47:51 2023. That's why I indicated 12th Avenue branch. To distinguish from the West 42nd Pier branch. Which I think ran initially via 10th Avenue northbound, with the Eighth Avenue variant introduced some time in the early '70's for PABT passengers/commuters (and until the '80's, there was a via 10th Avenue northbound and via 8th Avenue northbound). The hours of the 12th Avenue branch seemed to have held since the late 1950's up to that point, based on a revised Fifth Avenue Coach Lines route map which turns up every now and then on eBay.Reminds me of the convoluted backstory behind the so-called "merger" of the FACCo and NYCO #2's upon the 1966 one-way conversions of Fifth and Madison (involving the ex-FACCo route's transfer to the 146th Street depot where the ex-NYCO route had been at the time) - though they were then split into the #2A "Seventh Avenue branch" (9.48 miles) and #2 "Lenox Avenue branch" (7.5 miles), respectively, each terminating north where they always had. Would you know at what point M-18 86th Street buses started terminating east at 91st and York besides their other eastern terminus of East End Avenue? |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 31 20:08:30 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by W.B. on Fri Mar 31 15:27:18 2023. WB: I think that you are right about the buses running on 10th Avenue at some point.Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Apr 1 03:19:34 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Fri Mar 31 20:08:30 2023. The 42nd Street Pier branch of the #16 also, prior to Phase 1 of the Ninth and Tenth Avenues' one-way conversions of 1948, ran southbound on Tenth Avenue. I suppose it was after 1969 but before 1974 (check the respective Manhattan bus maps) that the Eighth Avenue variant of that branch was created? |
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Posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Apr 1 08:53:21 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by W.B. on Sat Apr 1 03:19:34 2023. WB: My 1969 MTA Bus Map show the route running north on 10th and south on 9th. The 1974 map show northbound routings on both 8th and 10th Avenue with southbound buses on 9th. I believe that routing alternate northbound buses via 8th Avenue was done to serve the PABT. The 1984 map as all northbound buses running via 8th Avenue. However it also show the buses that had terminated at 12th & 34 being extended north via 12th Av to 42 Street. This lasted until the 1987 map was issued. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by W.B. on Sat Apr 1 16:31:52 2023, in response to Re: Tuscarora Surface Almanac for March 30, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sat Apr 1 08:53:21 2023. Okay, so I'm wondering if that 8th Avenue variant of the West 42nd Pier branch was created not long after the 1971 launch of the M-3 (later M27, now M50) branch to PABT, if it was in place in 1974 (and 1976) but not 1969. Or would that variant have been started around the time the branch to Waterside first ran? |
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