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More SBS routes.
Posted by Chicago44 on Fri Jun 11 12:53:33 2021 ARe there any plans to add more SBS routes anytime soon, if there are plans, which route(s) are going to be looked at. I would like to see the B41, Q46 & Bx19 routes getting SBS.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by BrooklynBus* on Fri Jun 11 16:32:11 2021, in response to More SBS routes., posted by Chicago44 on Fri Jun 11 12:53:33 2021.* With Omni here, there is no reason for SBS.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Joe V* on Fri Jun 11 16:37:37 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 11 16:32:11 2021.* I am surprised M42 never got converted.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Fri Jun 11 20:48:22 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 11 16:32:11 2021.* Does Omni allow you to enter a bus from every door?
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Fri Jun 11 22:10:50 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Fri Jun 11 20:48:22 2021.* On SBS, yes, but currently not on other routes.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sat Jun 12 08:32:10 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 11 22:10:50 2021.* Didnt think it was allowed anywhere yet.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sat Jun 12 09:32:06 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jun 11 22:10:50 2021.* So unless it eventually does with readers at the rear doors, Omni doesn't really solve the problem that SBS solves, namely that with SBS boarding is far faster because passengers can use all 3 doors.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jun 12 18:59:26 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sat Jun 12 09:32:06 2021.* The stated intention is to allow entry from all doors on all routes.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sat Jun 12 18:59:57 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jun 12 08:32:10 2021.* It is, but only on SBS (not S79).
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Dyre Dan* on Sun Jun 13 14:34:37 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jun 11 16:32:11 2021.* Don't SBS routes 1) Have longer distances between stops than even LTD buses, and 2) Still save time even with OMNY (they spell it with a "Y") since a) People still use Metrocard, and some even coins, to board buses, and b) Even OMNY takes some time, with people sometimes needing to swipe their cards in front of the reader several times before it registers?
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 17:02:31 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Dyre Dan on Sun Jun 13 14:34:37 2021.* 1. Not necessarily. Example: 14th Street in Manhattan. 2. Yes, if OMNY requires everyone to enter through the front door, which SBS doesn't.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 17:03:43 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 12 18:59:26 2021.* How? By having a reader at every door? (That would make sense.)
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 17:11:00 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:02:31 2021.* There may be a very slight increase in dwell time on SBS buses with OMNY because you have to tap in if you're using OMNY whereas with MetroCard you already did the equivalent of that curbside. But that's still a rather trivial sacrifice if it someday takes away the need to install, maintain, and deal with those curbside machines, or at least most of them.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 17:15:49 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:03:43 2021.* I think SBS has OMNY readers at every door, right now. I have yet to see or hear about fare inspectors dealing with OMNY fare payments though. Anybody know what that process is like?
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 17:20:50 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:11:00 2021.* There may be a very slight increase in dwell time on SBS buses with OMNY because you have to tap in if you're using OMNY whereas with MetroCard you already did the equivalent of that curbside There's a major increase in dwell time IF everyone has to enter through the front door, even if the tapping takes no significant extra time. No one has yet confirmed that OMNY will eventually allow passengers to enter at all three doors.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 17:21:51 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:15:49 2021.* I think SBS has OMNY readers at every door, right now. Ah, OK, that would be extremely helpful.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 17:35:17 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:21:51 2021.* Yeah, haven't been on an SBS in a couple of months but when I got on the M14A, I think around April, all 3 doors' OMNY readers indicated they were ready for a tap, and I think the exterior signage telling people about SBS actually said to tap on board. This is something I didn't think they would do since you can usually see the fare inspectors waiting at a stop you're arriving at and anyone holding a contactless credit card attempting to ride for free can just tap quickly before the doors open at the stop they see the inspectors waiting at.
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 17:43:56 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:17 2021.* When you tap, do you get a receipt to show the inspectors? If so, does that significantly hold up the time until the next person entering can tap?
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 17:47:02 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:43:56 2021.* One of the current downsides of OMNY is that when you tap (anywhere), you don't get any feedback other than that you are ok to board / go through the turnstile. You don't know whether a free transfer went through and aren't given any type of paper. You can get clues from going on your bank's app and checking pending transactions, but that's nothing official or final.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jun 13 17:55:38 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:35:17 2021.* All I can suggest is this, as I just got off an M15SBS about an hour ago and several people did use OMNI......IIRC I think the fare inspectors have hand held computers? Don't they zap your payment card to show you paid? I'm just not sure because no inspectors boarded anywhere between South Ferry & 57th St. where I got off and walked to the Q60 to get back to Queens.
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Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 18:08:52 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 13 17:55:38 2021.* In other cities with system-sponsored tap farecards (not personal credit cards), I've experienced being checked where the inspector would take my farecard and tap it to their reader which would confirm I paid. Since I've never personally confirmed that this capability also applied to personal credit cards, as in the case of OMNY, I wanted to ask here.
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Posted by BrooklynBus* on Sun Jun 13 18:36:39 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:20:50 2021.* Aren’t they installing it at all theee doors? If so why wouldn’t they allow you to enter? Thought it was called All Door Boarding.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Jun 13 18:39:10 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 18:08:52 2021.* True. Even though I saw them tap, I have no way of knowing if they used OMNI cards or not.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Sun Jun 13 18:47:15 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 13 18:39:10 2021.* There is no OMNY card proper yet. All of the taps are either credit/debit cards or smartphones/watches synchronized with a means of payment. And they always charge full fare (no unlimiteds or half-fares available). MTA has not yet put out the option to get their own contactless card detached from a bank/credit account.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Joe V* on Sun Jun 13 18:52:19 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 17:20:50 2021.* How does inspector know you tapped in on an SBS bus ?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 19:51:56 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:47:02 2021.* So if you tap at an OMNY reader on an SBS, what do you show the inspector?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 19:53:56 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Jun 13 18:36:39 2021.* Aren’t they installing it at all theee doors? That was exactly my question. And if the answer is yes, what do you show the inspector?
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Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 19:54:18 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 13 18:52:19 2021.* My question exactly.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Sun Jun 13 19:55:18 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 13 17:55:38 2021.* Don't they zap your payment card to show you paid? That makes the most sense, but no one can seem to confirm for sure.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 13 21:07:45 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 19:53:56 2021.* The card you used.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 13 21:08:08 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 13 18:52:19 2021.* LOL!
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 13 21:08:24 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Sun Jun 13 19:54:18 2021.* LOL+1
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 13 21:10:21 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 17:47:02 2021.* I think that’s a technical limitation with OMNY. It may be different once they have dedicated cards.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 13 21:12:48 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 18:08:52 2021.* I don’t understand why it would be any different.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by AlM* on Mon Jun 14 10:27:30 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 13 21:08:24 2021.* This question has only been answered very recently in this thread. It wasn't totally obvious that the inspector had software that could verify that the OMNY card had just been used for boarding this bus, and in fact various people said they didn't know.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jun 14 12:24:09 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by AlM on Mon Jun 14 10:27:30 2021.* But it should be obvious. How else would it work?
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Posted by AlM* on Mon Jun 14 14:01:09 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Jun 14 12:24:09 2021.* If it's so obvious, why wouldn't anyone say it? For all I knew before this thread, the reader on the bus would give you a paper receipt that you can show to the inspector. That is, it would act just like a fixed outdoor reader.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jun 14 18:45:19 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 13 21:07:45 2021.* Inspector is going to read my bank Debit card ?
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Posted by Joe V* on Mon Jun 14 18:46:53 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 13 21:10:21 2021.* And what about those who will keep using use their own bank's card or Smartphone ? Fare inspector is not entitled to snoop into my bank account.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jun 14 19:58:36 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 14 18:45:19 2021.* Yes.
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Posted by Spider-Pig* on Mon Jun 14 19:59:26 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Joe V on Mon Jun 14 18:46:53 2021.* I highly doubt their readers can do anything else but verify that the card had been tapped at the bus’s reader, and when.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Dyre Dan* on Wed Jun 16 08:54:40 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Jun 13 17:55:38 2021.* Do credit cards keep a record of the last place they were used? Only if such information is written to the "chips" on cards could inspectors check cards for it.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Wed Jun 16 10:05:03 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Dyre Dan on Wed Jun 16 08:54:40 2021.* Or the cards/devices that have been validated within a certain timeframe could be noted in a central registry that the inspector's reader can also access and compare to.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jun 16 10:53:37 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jun 16 10:05:03 2021.* Since the MTA lets you sign up for an account that keeps track of all of your OMNY usage across multiple credit cards, this makes the most sense.
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Posted by Edwards!* on Wed Jun 16 19:43:47 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by New Flyer #857 on Sun Jun 13 18:08:52 2021.* Hah.. And you best believe they are going to try to recoup some of that cost,Before pushing out other fare methods.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Sun Jun 20 22:20:16 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Jun 16 10:53:37 2021.* Did any one here try to ask during the Q&A of the OMNY presentation the NYTM gave this week? I tried but they didn’t get to my question. And I missed the main presentation so not sure if it was covered then.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Sun Jun 20 22:49:04 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jun 20 22:20:16 2021.* I didn’t even know they had one.
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Re: More SBS routes.
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Mon Jun 21 00:07:19 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Spider-Pig on Sun Jun 20 22:49:04 2021.* If you’re a member, it was advertised in the weekly emails. If you’re not, you’d have to have been browsing their website to know about it I guess. Unless they promoted it on social media and it showed up in your feed.
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THE ANSWER
Posted by B1bus* on Thu Aug 5 15:31:23 2021, in response to Re: More SBS routes., posted by Joe V on Sun Jun 13 18:52:19 2021.* I emailed them. You tap your device at the reader to verify.
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Re: THE ANSWER
Posted by New Flyer #857* on Fri Aug 6 07:28:25 2021, in response to THE ANSWER, posted by B1bus on Thu Aug 5 15:31:23 2021.* A handheld reader, right? You don't mean that you have to get up and go back to the reader and tap again? Either way, I hope that the number of fares/transfers used also displays on the reader, because the passengers riding along won't have any proof of anything with them.
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