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June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 10:41:36 2020

Bank on June 27, 2010, there were service cuts to some bus routes, one of the bus routes was the S60 on Staten Island.

The S66 was merged with the S60 & this was a big improvement, this finally gave Grymes Hill residents as well as St. John's University & Wagner College Students & staff a one direct ride to the Staten Island Ferry, provides additional transfer connections to other bus routes (especially the ones on the North Shore), adds more AM & PM bus service (every thirty minutes with the old S60) & service now runs until 1:30 Am (9:00 PM with the old S60.

However, there is still NO weekend service.

Let's hope that weekend service can be restored in the Staten Island Local Bus Study in the future.

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Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by W.B. on Sun Jun 28 12:51:09 2020, in response to June 27, 2010 bus service cuts., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 10:41:36 2020.

One consequence of these bus service cuts was in Manhattan where one route - the M1 - on southbound runs, thereafter became pretty much a carbon copy of the old FACO Division Route #1 between 135th and 8th Streets. Ordinarily this wouldn't matter except this M1 was derived wholly from the old NYCO Fourth and Madison Avenue line which, in turn, replaced the borough's first streetcar line that was launched in 1832. No doubt no-one from whatever firm was descended from Fifth Avenue Coach Lines raised so much as a peep over such re-routing - given how, way back in 1962, FACL prevailed in preventing MaBSTOA from resuming FACO #1 service claiming "perpetual franchise."

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Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by northshore on Sun Jun 28 19:26:19 2020, in response to Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts., posted by W.B. on Sun Jun 28 12:51:09 2020.

Roy Cohn, lawyer for Harry Weinberg, then owner of Fifth Avenue Coach Lines, used the argument in court that Fifth Avenue Coach held its routers in perpetuity and therefore they could not be seized the NYC. The judge ruled that it only applied to Route 1 Fifth Avenue. All other routes were new extensions granted by the NYC Bureau of Franchises. There they could be revoked and taken over by NYC.
After losing his argument, Weinberg gave up operating any NYC routes.

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Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 28 21:19:21 2020, in response to June 27, 2010 bus service cuts., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 10:41:36 2020.

S66 should be structured to serve Graniteville (Fahy/Goethals/Watchogue corridor) while the S57 takes over Jewett Avenue

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Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 1 22:45:37 2020, in response to Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts., posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Jun 28 21:19:21 2020.

Yup, I also believe that the S57 should be restructured in New Dorp. If you're taking the bus to New Dorp you are probably going somewhere along New Dorp Lane, not Guyon Avenue.

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Re: June 27, 2010 bus service cuts.

Posted by Osmosis Jones on Wed Jul 1 22:53:40 2020, in response to June 27, 2010 bus service cuts., posted by Chicago44 on Sun Jun 28 10:41:36 2020.

One thing I'll give the MTA credit for regarding those cuts is this, those cuts saved the B69 big time.

When the B69 operated down Prospect Park West/8th Avenue, it carried air outside of school hours, I'd say carrying even less riders than the B75, which got eliminated as a part of those cuts. When it got rerouted to the busier and more commercialized 7th Avenue though, it made a lot of sense and breathed new life into the route, even prompting the MTA to restore weekend service a few years later. The only thing that they still haven't gotten right however is continuing to run it to DUMBO instead of Williamsburg Bridge Plaza. I guarantee that if they did that then ridership would increase significantly.

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