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Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Feb 3 17:10:26 2020 Does anyone here know the history of Brooklyn Bus Routes and what were the companies prior to the TA? Thank you in advance. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 3 18:21:20 2020, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BusRider on Mon Feb 3 17:10:26 2020. I believe some of this is on Wikipedia.You really have to look at the bus and trolley route separately. There were about six trolley companies I believe. The only one I remember was Nassau Electric that operated the Church and Ocean Avenue trolleys among others. When bus companies started in the 1920s, there were about a half dozen of them also. The only one I remember is something like the East New York and Brownsville bus lines with operated the Pitkin Avenue Bus. Interestingly enough some of the early bus companies began operation as illegal vans. Early buses were small carrying about 20 passengers. When the Marine Parkway Bridge was built in 1937, Green Lines started operating the Q35. In the 1960's Pioneer started the B100 to Mill Basin which later became Command. That's about it for the private companies until they were taken over by the BQT over time. There were all sorts of operating and lease agreements which makes things complicated. I am not sure how the BQT became the BMT. In 1940, with the exception of Green Bus Lines, everything came under the operation of the BOT and then the NYCTA in 1953. In 2004, Green and Command were absorbed by the MTA. There were a few others over time like Apple or Big Apple, in the 1980s that operated one or two routes. There was one in Downtown Brooklyn to serve social security employees. Private Transportation still operates a route from Borough Park to Williamsburg since the 1970s, the B110. There are also buses between Sunset Park and Flushing. I also remember small buses on several routes operated by Nathan Private in the 1990s or before. One route ran on 49 and 50 Street and on Ocean Parkway to Avenue R. Don't know if it was legal or not. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by BusRider on Mon Feb 3 18:36:26 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 3 18:21:20 2020. Thank you , I’d have to take a look. I ask about Brooklyn being I see the almanac on here regarding Manhattan and Bronx and the common discussion about the private companies in Queens. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 3 18:59:13 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BusRider on Mon Feb 3 18:36:26 2020. Brooklyn did not have the same number of private companies as did Queens. Since 1953 it has been 99 percent NYCTA. I remember before MaBSTOA was created in 1962, at least two or maybe three companies in Manhattan and the Bronx. Manhattan had Fifth Avenue Coach and Third Avenue Railway. The Bronx had Bronx Surface Transit and others. I remember as a kid being jealous why the Bronx had buses that were green and silver as well as red and tan, and Brooklyn only had green and silver. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by andy on Tue Feb 4 10:19:24 2020, in response to Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BusRider on Mon Feb 3 17:10:26 2020. In 1940, when NY City Board of Transportation (BOT) took over the BMT network, the entire bus and trolley system in Brooklyn was included. The BMT had a subsidiary, the Brooklyn and Queens Transit Corp. (BQT) that had operated those routes. The majority were trolley routes; buses were introduced in the 1920’s as new routes were added.So after 1940 every surface route in Brooklyn was part of the NYC BOT except the Green Bus routes that connected with the IRT subways at New Lots and Flatbush Avenues. The BOT became NYC Transit Authority in 1953 and the Brooklyn bus routes continue to this day as NYC Transit property. The large trolley network was doomed after 1940, because the NYC BOT (read: Mayor LaGuardia) embraced a pro-bus policy for all surface routes. The last Brooklyn trolley ran in 1956 (B35/Church Ave.); a few trolley coach routes lasted until 1960. Motor Coach Age July 1975 issue covers the Brooklyn bus history in detail. Also, my own book From a Nickel to a Token has relevant information in Chapters 1, 5, and 8. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by W.B. on Tue Feb 4 12:30:14 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by andy on Tue Feb 4 10:19:24 2020. Wasn't there also, pre-1940, a "Brooklyn Bus Corporation"? I know that, for years on TA bus transfers, depending on which route, they indicated either "Brooklyn Bus Division" or "BMT Bus Division." |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 4 16:05:04 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by W.B. on Tue Feb 4 12:30:14 2020. I don't know about Brooklyn Bus Corporation. BMT Bus Divsion was a holdover from the BMT which took many years for the NYCTA to change. My guess is that they changed it to Brooklyn Bus Division rather than using NYCTA. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by randyo on Tue Feb 4 19:14:56 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Feb 4 16:05:04 2020. From what I can remember reading, the Bkln Bus Corp was the subdivision of the BMT as was the B&QT. I’m not sure if it was considered of subdivision of the B&QT as well or not. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by W.B. on Wed Feb 5 12:46:17 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by randyo on Tue Feb 4 19:14:56 2020. Okay. This is why I asked about those subdivisions listed on 'Tee-Yay' transfers for key Brooklyn bus routes. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 5 21:02:46 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 3 18:21:20 2020. That was Metro Apple which operated three BK-Manhattan express routes between Bay Ridge, Gravesend and Coney Island Hospital to Manhattan. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 6 10:20:53 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Feb 5 21:02:46 2020. Didn't Amtrak contract with them to run NYPS-GCT shuttles with some SDH Fishbowls ? |
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Posted by Tiny Tim on Thu Feb 6 17:52:34 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 6 10:20:53 2020. They did the Amtrak shuttle. You did a tripper in on a express then went to the shuttle |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 6 17:57:55 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by Tiny Tim on Thu Feb 6 17:52:34 2020. What happened to that bus company ? |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by transitbuff on Thu Feb 6 18:00:13 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Feb 3 18:59:13 2020. That's because Brooklyn HAD only a SLIVER of bus service.. |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by Tiny Tim on Fri Feb 7 08:03:29 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by Joe V on Thu Feb 6 17:57:55 2020. Erin tours bought them and went out of business |
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Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes |
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Posted by W.B. on Thu Feb 13 18:43:43 2020, in response to Re: Brooklyn Bus Routes, posted by W.B. on Wed Feb 5 12:46:17 2020. And also, it appears, pre-unification, Brooklyn Bus Corporation handled bus routes whereas B&QT were streetcar routes. |
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