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Why Isn't The Q35 A "Limited" Line?

Posted by nh153 on Mon Apr 15 00:48:00 2019

The Q35 is a local in Queens. But once it goes over the Marine Parkway Bridge, it only makes limited stops in Brooklyn, along Flatbush Avenue. You might say, it shouldn't be a limited if it makes all local stops in Queens. But the M5 is a limited route, even though it makes all local stops from 72nd Street to the George Washington Bridge.

The Q35 also has an odd timetable. Starting at 8:30 pm Brooklyn-bound and at 10 pm Queens-bound, it runs on a half hour schedule. It keeps that same half hour schedule overnight.

If a route is important enough to give it 30 minute service overnight, I wonder why it also has 30 minute service in the evening too? The handful of NYC buses that run every half hour overnight usually have more frequent service in the evening, maybe every 10-15 minutes. It is the only mass transit way to get directly from The Rockaways to Brooklyn. But does that warrant 30 minute overnight service?

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Apr 15 07:07:44 2019, in response to Why Isn't The Q35 A "Limited" Line?, posted by nh153 on Mon Apr 15 00:48:00 2019.

Because they got greedy

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 15 08:32:47 2019, in response to Why Isn't The Q35 A "Limited" Line?, posted by nh153 on Mon Apr 15 00:48:00 2019.

This may not be a complete answer but the M5 has a "local" variant in addition to a "limited" one. At certain hours, the M5 is all-local.

The Q35 on the other hand always serves the same stops, at all times. Maybe by some standards it deserves to be called a "limited," but it's probably more trouble than it's worth to label it that way. Complicating matters further is that the Q35 does not make exactly the same stops as the B41 Limited. So you would have two different limiteds doing two different things.

That section of Flatbush Ave is unique (maybe the only place in NYC?) in that there are three layers of non-express service: the locals, the B41 Limited, and the Q35 "Super-Limited."

Regarding overnight service, there is a lot that goes into making decisions like that. Ridership trends are observed, and matched to the practicalities of how long the run is (i.e. how many vehicles and drivers are needed) and shift times and such. Politics gets in there too I'd suspect.

For example, the B2 runs half hourly intervals on midday weekdays, but 20-minute intervals on late evenings and weekends. Why? Maybe ridership levels, but more likely is that it takes 20-21 minutes in the Kings Plaza direction for a trip to be made at midday-weekday (owing probably to all the new traffic signals on the route and the wait to enter the Kings Plaza area), meaning that keeping 20-minute intervals would require 3 buses. Better to have 2 buses at 30-minute intervals than to have the route bleed money all day and have them contemplate removing it at certain times.

Not saying that's identical to the Q35 situation at night, but it's just to illustrate the various factors at play and why it may not run every 15 or 20 minutes during the shoulder periods (9 to 11 p.m. or so).

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 13:53:39 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 15 08:32:47 2019.

There are too many traffic lights on the B2 route nowadays. Please eliminate three. I am not a crackpot.

At the very least, some of those lights should blink yellow outside of school hours.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 15:33:22 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 13:53:39 2019.

With regard to flashing yellow traffic signals during off hours, I tend to agree with you. I noticed that in many cities in Massachusetts there are even flashing green signals during midnight hours at many locations. In many outlying areas of the city like Marine Park or even Bay Ridge in Bkln, there is no need to have fully functional traffic signals at 200AM. During those hours, there can be pedestrian push buttons to allow crossing if necessary. The main thoroughfares can have the flasing yellows and the cross streets can have the flashing reds which have the legal effect of a stop sign.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by b1bus on Mon Apr 15 16:58:28 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 15 08:32:47 2019.

It used to make local stops along Flatbush ave in the past.
It used to run every 70 minutes at night IIRC.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 21:23:03 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by b1bus on Mon Apr 15 16:58:28 2019.

When I lived near Kings Plaza, till 1999, I seem to recall that as a private line, the Q 35 between Nostrand and Kings Plaza only stopped at Kings Hwy and Kings Plaza and that was only to pick up Rockaway bound and discharge Nostrand bound. Between Kings Pl and Rockaway it made all stops. AFAIK once the MTA took it over, it made all stops along Flatbush.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by JAzumah on Tue Apr 16 03:42:41 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 21:23:03 2019.

You remember correctly. I used to use it to transfer to the B7 for that very purpose.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Apr 16 05:37:55 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 21:23:03 2019.

There was a stop at Fillmore in both directions. Also worth noting is that at that time the southbound stop for the Q35 was on the north side of Ave L, to the point that the stop was known "on the street" as Ave L and not "Kings Highway" in that direction.

So southbound it was the Nostrand terminal, then "Ave L," then Fillmore, then Kings Plaza.
Northbound it was the same, except it stoped at Kings Hwy itself rather than Ave L.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by randyo on Tue Apr 16 10:02:48 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Apr 16 05:37:55 2019.

I remember getting off the N/B Q35 at K/Hwy when it was still Green Lines to change for the B9 back to Bay Ridge.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 16 14:47:03 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Apr 15 13:53:39 2019.

I agree with you. Instead of crossing guards, we now have unecessary traffic lights ear every school in the city that are in effect at all times. Further, they are purposely u synchronized to force you to stop every few blocks wasting gas and precious time all in an effort to prevent speeding.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 16 14:49:05 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by randyo on Mon Apr 15 21:23:03 2019.

The MTA had it make all stops for a few years now until they realized they made a mistake and returned it to Limited operation as Green Lines had it, but they changed the route and added a few stops that Green Lines did not have.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 15:06:21 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 16 14:47:03 2019.

In South Burlington, VT, there are signs along Shelburne Road that say traffic lights are sync'd for 35 MPH.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 15:07:52 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Apr 16 14:49:05 2019.

Doesn't this disrupt their accounting, MTA-Bus siphoning TA revenue ?

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 17 05:17:41 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 15:07:52 2019.

You mean when it made all stops? Perhaps. Maybe the City objected exactly for that reason. We will never know.

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Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?

Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Apr 17 07:49:05 2019, in response to Re: Why Isn't The Q35 A ''Limited'' Line?, posted by Joe V on Tue Apr 16 15:06:21 2019.

The Town of Huntington (NY) implemented that on a few of the town roads, too.

If you go beyond 30MPH (99% of Huntington town roads are at 30), the light begins to turn red before you cross the intersection.

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