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W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 06:34:18 2019


April 12, 1971 - The Book of First Runs

Manhattan, New York
Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority
(NYCO Division)

A new express bus route, M-23X - Yorkville-Wall Street, begins service on this date. It runs from 91st Street and York Avenue to one of two southern termini, Broad and Water Streets, and Pearl and Frankfort Streets.

(Sources: "East Side Express Bus Route Sought" by Edward Hudson, The New York Times, March 19, 1971; "Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority: The First Ten Years" by Bernard Linder, Motor Coach Age, May 1972.)


April 12, 1971 - The Book of First Runs

Queens and Manhattan, New York
Green Bus Lines, Inc.

Service is inaugurated on a new express bus route, QM-16. It operates from Rockaway Park-Beach 116th Street to midtown Manhattan.

(Source: "Rockaway-NYC X-Press Bus Service Starts." Glendale Register, April 8, 1971.)


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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 09:16:11 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 06:34:18 2019.

I seem to remember that the Yorkville to Wall Street bus wasn't that successful.



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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by andy on Fri Apr 12 09:23:54 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 06:34:18 2019.

The M23X was later rechristened M90. Does anyone know when it service ended?

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 09:32:40 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by andy on Fri Apr 12 09:23:54 2019.

It became X23 c.1976 (and was merged with Avenue B & East Broadway's M-7 express bus in 1980), and then X90 in 1988. It was one of many routes eliminated on June 27, 2010 due to across-the-board service cutbacks.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 12 09:55:57 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 09:16:11 2019.

I would disagree with that.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by AlM on Fri Apr 12 10:03:46 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 12 09:55:57 2019.

I stand corrected. I had no idea it ran until 2010.


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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Apr 12 11:32:14 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 06:34:18 2019.

I wonder what they used on QM16 in those days.
I never knew about that bus until the takeover. And it's down the block from my house. I would have began using it in 1999 if I knew.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by W.B. on Fri Apr 12 12:50:01 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Apr 12 11:32:14 2019.

I can only presume A/C Fishbowls would have been used at the onset.

And there was the matter of MaBSTOA branding its Elmhurst Crosstown route QM16 from early 1973 to mid-1974, before renumbering it Q89. (And its only connection to Manhattan was being assigned out of 54th Street depot.)

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Apr 13 15:08:04 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Apr 12 11:32:14 2019.

I know in '78 when i first knew about the QM17, they used GMC 5309s (the 300 series). They didn't have the route number on the rollsigns until they started using the Grummans.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by W.B. on Sat Apr 13 18:32:35 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Apr 13 15:08:04 2019.

You sure those buses Green used for their express runs weren't 5307's? 5309's were unique to the TA and MaBSTOA, as were the express-bus 5310's.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat Apr 13 20:31:48 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by W.B. on Sat Apr 13 18:32:35 2019.

That sounds about right. All I know is that they had the tailpipe towards the top of the bus and they were in the 300 series. There were two sets-from around 301~310 and 35x~36x. There was a third set of 5307s (or 09s) numbered in the 100 series.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by B53Rich on Sat Apr 13 21:27:15 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by Catfish 44 on Fri Apr 12 11:32:14 2019.

Having trouble posting a photo from a website using Microsoft Edge.
Here is a link to a photo of Green Bus 176 on the Lindenwood Express. Click the photo for full size.


http://gallery.bustalk.info/displayimage.php?pos=-10765

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by W.B. on Sun Apr 14 22:32:48 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by B53Rich on Sat Apr 13 21:27:15 2019.

I reckon that QM16's of the period would have read 'EXPRESS - ROCKAWAY PARK'?

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th

Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Apr 15 08:06:18 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for April 12th, posted by B53Rich on Sat Apr 13 21:27:15 2019.

Wow, that corner in 1976 looks like it could have been in the outer boroughs!

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