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Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 09:21:27 2019


Tuscarora Almanac March 12, 1936 The Book of First and Last Runs

Manhattan, New York
New York Railways
New York City Omnibus Corporation

Buses replace streetcars on New York Railways 6th Avenue Line. The replacement bus service will be run by New York City Omnibus as Route 5.

Source: New York Division Bulletin / November 1987, article by Mr. Bernard Linder

Larry, RedbirdR33

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 10:16:57 2019, in response to Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 09:21:27 2019.

Any idea of the terminals of the Sixth Avenue streetcar? I'm guessing there may have been a crossover south of 59th Street. With the conduit, there was no need to change poles. Maybe the farebox had to be repositioned.
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Southern terminal? Sixth Avenue was lengthened south sometime in the 1930's for the Independent construction.
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Congratulations (in 1936!) to Omnibus or the Franchise Dept. for numbering the Sixth Avenue route not 6 but 5. It may have intersected Fifth Avenue's #5 to make more confusion!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by andy on Tue Mar 12 11:14:45 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 10:16:57 2019.

The Sixth Ave. NYCO bus intersected FACO #5 at 57th St. and Sixth Ave. NYCO of course did have a #6, the Broadway-7th Ave. route, which closely paralleled #5 Sixth Ave. In 1963, after MABSTOA took over and Broadway and Sixth Ave. became completely one-way avenues, the routes were combined into a single #6 route. In 1966, the old FACO #5 was re-routed NB on Sixth Avenue when Fifth Avenue became one-way SB. So to this day #5 operates on Sixth Avenue (although the current version only north of 31st St.).



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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Mar 12 11:19:38 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 10:16:57 2019.

http://tramway-null.blogspot.com/2012/10/route-map-of-manhattan-streetcar-lines.html

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by W.B. on Tue Mar 12 16:25:44 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by andy on Tue Mar 12 11:14:45 2019.

It should also be mentioned that the NYCO Division #5, after 1957, had two major reroutings:
- After Sixth Avenue between 34th-59th Streets, Broadway between Columbus Circle-34th Street and Seventh Avenue between 59th Street-Times Square were made one-way in 1957, the 5 travelled southbound along Seventh Avenue and then Broadway up to 34th Street.
- In 1962 when several lower Manhattan streets were made one-way, the 5 was rerouted southbound along Varick Street and East Broadway between Canal and Vesey Streets.
The 1963 conversion of the rest of Sixth finished the #5 off and it was then combined with NYCO Division's #6, as 'andy' noted. It should be noted that on the very day the NYCO #5 was eliminated, the FACO #5 inaugurated service to Houston Street and West Broadway, thus necessitating going through Sixth between Houston and 8th Streets; 1966 was when it was extended to the rest of Sixth up to 57th. (Ironic that this happened when the NYCO #1's SB route was moved to Fifth, given that buses with the numbers associated with the pertinent avenues albeit run by different entities ran along same thoroughfares.)

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by W.B. on Tue Mar 12 16:30:38 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 10:16:57 2019.

Actually, except for the 116th Street Crosstown route #20 which was identical to the Bureau of Franchises' assigned M-20 designation for that route, NYCO's designations differed wildly. According to the BoF, the Sixth Avenue route was to be M-23.

And when bustituted, there was a little extension (little! ha!): The old trolley only terminated around Carmine Street, given that the streetcar route was built long before the IND was even a gleam in anyone's eyes. The 5 route's southern terminus was, for most of its history, Fulton Street (except in 1940-42 when it was extended to South Ferry to cover the elimination of Sixth and Ninth Avenue el services).

The NYCO and FACO #5's weren't the only ones which invited confusion, even though each entity's routes ran on different avenues. FACO had 1 and 2 routes along Fifth - as did NYCO, along Madison Avenue.

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 17:19:15 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 10:16:57 2019.

Joe: The northern terminal was on 6th Avenue just south of 59th Street. The two track merged into a one.

The southern terminal was the loop at South Ferry until 1931 when service south of 4th Street was discontinued. At 4th Street there was a trailing point switch.

Larry, RedbirdR33


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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 19:45:50 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by IRTRedbirdR33 on Tue Mar 12 17:19:15 2019.

Many thanks for the answers! It seems like the streetcar was under the el except for a few blocks, maybe north of 53rd Street, and maybe on the one-way shift from West Broadway to Sixth, apparently west on Fourth St, east on Third St, if I am reading the map correctly.
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I can just imagine it passing the Automat facing Bryant Park!

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Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 13 10:58:38 2019, in response to Re: Tuscarora Almanac for March 12, posted by Joe on Tue Mar 12 19:45:50 2019.

The el used Murray Street to go from Church Street to West Broadway, while the streetcar used Barclay and Fulton (not sure why not Vesey).

Expanding on that, the el ran through Battery Park, not above State Street, so el had daylight along State Street as well, and of course Whitehall Street.

Finally, the El extended to 58th until 1924, but I'm sure you know that.

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