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W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th

Posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 08:07:00 2019


January 14, 1966 - The Book of Route Modifications, Adjustments and Service Changes

Manhattan, New York
Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority
New York City Transit Authority - Manhattan Bus Division

In the last major series of one-way traffic conversions as had occurred over the past nearly two decades, Fifth Avenue between 138th Street and Washington Square North, and the last remaining unconverted stretch of Broadway between 23rd and 14th Streets, are converted to one-way southbound, while Madison Avenue between 23rd and 135th Streets become one-way northbound. (The changes, announced the prior May, were originally intended to take effect March 1, then March 6 as of December 5, 1965, but were moved up three days before this date on account of the transit strike which had just ended the day before.) Several bus routes along both avenues are affected (with a few routes' original pedigree mentioned in parentheses, and all routes' descriptions from side roll signs of the buses on which these routes traveled), as follows:
- 1 (ex-NYCO) Madison Avenue via 135th Street: Southbound buses moved to Fifth Avenue between 135th and 40th Streets, except for a brief detour around Mount Morris Park between 124th and 120th Streets; then running east on 40th Street to Park Avenue. The description of this route is hereby changed to "Fifth and Madison Avenues via 135th Street."
- 2 (ex-NYCO) Madison Avenue via 116th Street: Southbound buses moved to Fifth Avenue between 116th and 8th Streets, then travel east on 8th Street to its Fourth Avenue terminus. The new route description becomes "Fifth and Madison Avenues via Lenox Avenue."
- 2 (ex-FACCo) Fifth and Seventh Avenues: Northbound buses moved to Madison Avenue. The route taken, north of 8th Street and Fourth Avenue, is usually as follows: one block north on Fourth Avenue to 9th Street, west on 9th Street, north on University Place, east on 14th Street, north on Union Square East and Park Avenue South, west on 25th Street, and north on Madison Avenue to 110th Street. (By contrast, between 9th and 14th Streets, ex-NYCO 2, like 1, mainly runs straight north on Fourth Avenue; but apparently at the outset MaBSTOA intended for both this and the ex-NYCO route to alternate the path between 9th and 14th.) Some runs that terminate east of Fifth Avenue travel one block east on 8th Street, then all the way north on University Place to 14th Street. The route number is modified, and its description changed, to "2A - Fifth and Madison Avenues via Seventh Avenue"; it will retain the 2A designation through 1974 (though it will take a while until this is reflected in bus stop signs and bus roll signs).
- 3 - Fifth, St. Nicholas and Convent Avenues: Northbound buses moved to Madison Avenue, traveling the same path as 2A.
- 4 - Fifth and Fort Washington Avenues: Northbound buses moved to Madison Avenue between 32nd and 110th Streets.
- 5 - Fifth Avenue-Riverside Drive: Northbound buses - already traveling northbound on Avenue of the Americas (Sixth Avenue) between Houston and 8th Streets since the November 10, 1963 move of its south end to Houston Street and West Broadway - are shifted to the rest of Sixth, from Houston up to 57th Street.
- 15 - Fifth Avenue-Queensboro Bridge-Jackson Heights: Southern terminus cut back to 25th Street and Fifth Avenue, and northbound buses moved to Madison Avenue between 23rd and 57th Streets.

In addition, the following crosstown bus routes that travel along or around Central Park are affected by the one-way conversions of Fifth and Madison:
- 6 (ex-FACCo) 72nd Street Crosstown: Eastbound buses rerouted northbound on Madison Avenue between 57th and 72nd Streets.
- M-7 (NYCTA) 65th Street Crosstown: Eastbound buses rerouted northbound on Madison Avenue between 65th and 68th Streets.
- 18 - 86th Street Crosstown: Eastbound buses rerouted northbound on Madison Avenue between 84th and 86th Streets.
- 19 - 96th Street Crosstown: Westbound buses rerouted northbound on Madison Avenue between 96th and 97th Streets.

(Sources: "Fifth and Madison Will Go One Way Early Next Year" by Joseph C. Ingraham, The New York Times, May 12, 1965; "Fifth Ave. Will Go One Way March 6" by Joseph C. Ingraham, The New York Times, December 6, 1965; "5th and Madison Avenues Become One-Way Friday" by Peter Kihss, The New York Times, January 12, 1966; "Normal Service to Take 12 Hours," The New York Times, January 13, 1966; "How Buses Go Up Mad, Down 5th" by Harry Schlegel, Daily News (New York), January 14, 1966; "Barnes Suggests Express Bus Runs" by Farnsworth Fowle, The New York Times, January 17, 1966; Proceedings of the Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority - Relating to Matters Other Than Operation and Control (Volume III), transcript(s) dated February 10, 1966; Manhattan bus maps issued by Bloomingdale's in conjunction with the World's Fair in 1964 and 1965; Manhattan bus and subway map issued by The Chase Manhattan Bank, 1966; Manhattan bus dispatcher's map for NYCTA and MaBSTOA, issued April 1968; "Manhattan and Bronx Surface Transit Operating Authority: The First Ten Years," Motor Coach Age, May 1972.)

NOTE: While the 2 and 2A may appear to continue to be separate, distinct routes, in fact as far as MaBSTOA was concerned, the agency had merged the NYCO and FACCo 2's into, and treated them operationally (at least initially) as, one singular route with two different branches - the Seventh Avenue branch (2A) which consisted of 9.48 one-way route miles, and the Lenox Avenue branch (2) which comprised 7.5 route miles (confirmed by transcripts of MaBSTOA proceedings of the period). A late 1960's photo of a southbound 2A run (one of the 1964 GMC buses built for MaBSTOA was behind an old FACCo Queen Mary which was running excursions on behalf of the Washington Square Inn at the time) near St. Patrick's Cathedral clearly showed the front roll sign as "2A to 8 St via 7 Ave." (Had it been the 2 - Fifth-Madison-Lenox, its front sign would have read "2 to 8 St via Lenox.") Thus, the description of this route as "Fifth and Madison Avenues via Seventh and Lenox Avenues" as quoted in Farnsworth Fowle's January 17 Times article cited above, was directly from MaBSTOA documents; and signified the same as, for example, Rt. 3 as "via St. Nicholas and Convent Avenues" and Rt. 14 as "via Avenues A and D." As well, the January 14 Daily News article had the Fifth-Madison-Seventh "branch" as "2A" from the day these one-way conversions took effect; and this route was transferred on the day of same from their prior depot at 132nd Street to 146th Street where the ex-NYCO 2 had been assigned since 1964.


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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th

Posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 08:10:13 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 08:07:00 2019.

And here, for those interested, is the picture in question:

This explains a lot as to why many early 1970's pics of 2A buses had a huge blank spot on not only southbound but also northbound runs (which would have read "2A to 168 St via 7 Ave").

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th

Posted by andy on Mon Jan 14 09:28:38 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 08:07:00 2019.

In March 1969 Route #2 was eliminated. In its place a new Route #101A was created that operated on Third (NB) and Lexington (SB) Avenues south of 116th Street, and then on Lenox Avenue between 116th and 147th Streets in place of Route #2. The irony was that #2 was the NYCO replacement of the old #4 Lexington/Lenox route which was eliminated in 1960 when Third and Lexington became one way. Basically the #2 was returning to its “roots” (pun intended). #2A (Fifth/Madison & 7th Aves.) retained its 1966 number.

In 1974 the alpha suffixes were removed from MABSTOA routes and the #2A reverted back to its original #2 moniker, although the route had never changed except for the Fifth-Madison couplet in 1966. #101A became #102. Both #2 and #102 still operate today with minimal changes from the 1970s, with the added “M” route prefix adapted in the 1970s. M2 is now a limited stop service except during owl periods, and M102’s south terminal is 6th Street, not City Hall.


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Posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 10:07:51 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by andy on Mon Jan 14 09:28:38 2019.

Ya want irony? Here's another irony. At the time the old NYCO Division #4 was eliminated it was based out of 146th Street depot - and #2, at 100th. In 1964 #2 was transferred to 146th where it remained to its 1969 demise, and the new M-101A that replaced it north of 116th was based out of - 100th Street! (Reading accounts of the 1960 Third and Lexington conversions, apparently only #2 got extended to 146th and Lenox at the time; #1 didn't go up there "via 135th Street" until 1963-64.)

As well, the old NYCO Division #3 was basically replaced on that 1960 day when Third and Lexington became one-way by that "short-turn" M-101 between 125th and 23rd Streets that you'd mentioned in your book, driven by Fifth Avenue Coach drivers on buses marked Surface Transit and assigned out of 100th Street. (It was also the second "short-turn" M-101 variant, another in operation at the time of Surface Transit and Westchester Street Transportation's October 1958 route map only ran between 96th and 6th Streets.)

Another thing: That 1969 elimination of #2 - Fifth-Madison-Lenox was plotted as far back as 1967. A July 14 transcript from that year in the same MaBSTOA proceedings book cited in this Almanac, detailed their intention to eliminate the #2 and - guess what? - salvage its route north of 116th Street to create a "new" branch of the #101 - Third and Lexington Avenues line.

But when the Fifth and Madison one-way conversions took effect, initially #2 had more buses per hour in peak and non-peak hours than #2A (again, per the OA horses' mouths). I.I.N.M., it was 4-minute headways in peak hours and 6-minute headways non-peak for #2, and 6-minute headways at peak and 8 minutes non-peak for #2A. It'd be interesting if anybody saved any MaBSTOA timetables for this combo, or if each branch had an individual timetable.

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Posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 17:07:40 2019, in response to W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 08:07:00 2019.

I seem to recall that the southern terminal for the FACCO #15 was always 25 St/5 Av.

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Posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 19:13:10 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 17:07:40 2019.

There was a time in the early 1960's, if photos and some newspaper articles of the time, when FACCo #15 terminated south at Washington Square, then after the park was closed to bus traffic in 1963 said terminus for a period became 8th Street and Fourth Avenue. There was no evidence, however, that #15 ventured anywhere south past 25th Street on either of the Bloomingdale's issued bus maps as tied in to the World's Fair during 1964-65.

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Posted by andy on Mon Jan 14 19:37:08 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 10:07:51 2019.

Thanks for posting. Manhattan's bus routes have had a long and sometimes tortured history. The FACO and NYCO bus routes on Fifth and Madison Avenues, respectively, carried duplicate route numbers. The fare was higher on the FACO routes until 1956, when NYCO routes began charging 15 cents. And the FACO #2 used double deck buses till about 1951, when GMC TDH4509's identical to the ones on Madison Avenue made their debut, still charging a higher fare (12 cents vs. 10 cents).

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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 15 00:21:51 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Mon Jan 14 19:13:10 2019.

Interesting. I lived in Wash Hts and used either the 2 ,3 , 4 or 5 (which I preferred to the other 3 routes because of the Riverside Drive view) as early as the 1950s with double deckers and always recall the 15s terminating in the area of 23 St.

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Posted by randyo on Tue Jan 15 00:24:58 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by andy on Mon Jan 14 19:37:08 2019.

According to in fo I have from somewhere, FACCO always charged more than the other bus lines and the subway (10 cents vs 5) because passengers were guaranteed a seat which was easier due to the double deck buses. Of course once the double deckers were removed, the company couldn’t guarantee seats for all passengers any more.

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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 01:32:43 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by randyo on Tue Jan 15 00:21:51 2019.

Would you be privy to what point the FACO #1 (which would be discontinued in 1962) was reduced to one-trip-a-day service? I reckon it could've been some time in '57 . . .

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Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 08:53:13 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 01:32:43 2019.

I think Toute 1 was reduced to one trip a day during the WWII ODT frduction and never returned to full service. It did not appears on maps. It was only kept foor legal purposes, as the judge ruled in the NYC V. FACL that Route 1 was the only route that FACL legally owned in perpetuity. All other router were franchised extensions.


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Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 08:56:28 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by randyo on Mon Jan 14 17:07:40 2019.

MABSTOA extended Route 15 to Washington SQ or 8th St for a brief period but cut back because it was delaying running times and schedules could not be adhered to. Furthermore, passengers below 23 were few.

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Posted by andy on Tue Jan 15 09:11:54 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 08:53:13 2019.

Route 1 did appear on FACO's maps, both the early 50s version and the 1958 one, which clearly showed it dashed above 110th St. with the notation "1 trip daily." The Madison Avenue routes could handle the load north of 110th Street, even when the Madison Ave. #2 route was shifted to Lenox Avenue above 116th Street in 1960.

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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 09:13:03 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 08:53:13 2019.

None of the newspaper coverage of bus service reductions mandated by ODT, nor any service change pamphlets issued by FACCo, mentioned Rt. 1 as among those whose service was reduced, and definitely not to that degree. (Certainly not the Dec. 6, 1942 service changes; can't say about June 13, 1943.) Also, there were two different bus maps issued in 1957 by Fifth Avenue Coach Lines (after one of the many one-way conversions as between 1948 and 1966) - one of which mentioned routes straight, the other mentioned what hours some routes (all NYCO Division) did not run and highlighted "one trip daily" routes by split ( --- ) lines - which in that map were FACO Division Rt. 1 and NYCO Division Rt. 22 (that latter map may've been issued after Rt. 22 became one trip daily only, and certainly would have come at/after the time Surface Transit's M-105 became a one-trip-a-day route).

It was also one of the major ironies that the Fifth and Madison one-way conversions brought back two numbers missing from certain intersections the last few years - 1 to Fifth Avenue (albeit NYCO's) and 5 to Sixth Avenue (this one the FACO route; the NYCO Division 5 became kaput in 1963).

And re. Wikipedia's incorrectly noting the FACO and NYCO 1's being "merged": If any such "merger" had taken place, it would have been in secret and as a procedural formality (and folded into the NYCO 1), given that despite being rerouted to Fifth between 135th and 40th Streets, operationally the route that ran along that avenue since 1966 was 100% of NYCO pedigree (even The New York Times agreed on that). And the one FACCo route that appeared on NO bus maps whatsoever - the pull-in/pull-out only, secret, "phantom" route 10 Broadway - how did that get to survive into the early years of MaBSTOA, continuing well into the 1970's (any word on if that got a new number in the 1974 renumberings? 'WayneJay' remembers that "unseen" route as late as 1976).

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Posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 09:45:04 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by andy on Tue Jan 15 09:11:54 2019.

The only FACL maps I counted would have been issued in 1957 (and reflecting the recent one-way conversions of Sixth Avenue from 34th to 59th Streets, Broadway from Columbus Circle to 34th Street and Seventh Avenue from 59th Street to Times Square) and the 1958 one as you'd dated. So I would surmise it was between 1957 and 1958 that FACO Division #1 was reduced to one trip daily within that window of time.

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Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 10:19:44 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 09:45:04 2019.

The maps may have shown Route 1, but it only ran once a day

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th

Posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 10:35:04 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 10:19:44 2019.

As 'andy' noted, the amended 1958 route map accounted for that. As they did with Route 22.

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Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th

Posted by northshore on Tue Jan 15 11:03:47 2019, in response to Re: W.B.'s Bus Almanac for January 14th, posted by W.B. on Tue Jan 15 10:35:04 2019.

My point was the Route 1 had already been a once a day line. I believe since WWII

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