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Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 14:01:18 2018 In April 2015, I told WPIX's Greg Mocker that the Woodhaven SBS was a bad idea and wouldn't succeed.This is what I have to say now This is what the elected officials think Here is DOT's report: |
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Posted by Allan on Thu Dec 6 14:35:25 2018, in response to Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 14:01:18 2018. Well, you can't please everyone.Just for the record the Bx12-SBS works quite well (when they are not digging up Pelham Parkway). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 15:28:03 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Allan on Thu Dec 6 14:35:25 2018. Of course you can't please everyone, but that is not the question.The questions are: (1)have more people been helped than hurt, which we should be able to learn from a fair, complete, and objective analysis which obviously wasn't done and (2) was the money well spent? We also are not talking about the Bx12 right now, so if it works or not is not really relevant to this discussion. |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Dec 6 15:58:20 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 15:28:03 2018. Woodhaven is impassable for drivers in the afternoon. Queens Blvd to Kew Gardens Rd or Austin St is now the superior route to get from the LIE to Jamaica. While it's impossible to have a sane discussion here over whether a bus should be given priority over private vehicles... perhaps they should have first attempted to improve the traffic flow in extremely obvious ways, like eliminating the left turn onto Union Tpke, which would have benefited just about everyone who uses Woodhaven.But I get it, it's easier to come up with myopic and incompetent plans and then cook the books to justify them. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 16:27:37 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by sloth on Thu Dec 6 15:58:20 2018. Eliminating the left turn southbound into Union Turnpike causes a lot of inconvenience and wasn't that obvious in my opinion. I agree though that it was a big bottleneck that now has been eliminated.But back in 2014 when they were doing the Congested Corridors study before they began the SBS study, I suggested a better solution than eliminating that left turn. It was to allow the service road go through the LIRR tracks at grade since there are only two freight trains a day using those tracks. Allowing general traffic or even only buses if they ever increased rail service would.have greatly improved traffic flow. The project head Gregory Haas told me they were even thinking about it but were afraid to propose it because thought it would sound too crazy. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 18:42:01 2018, in response to Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 14:01:18 2018. Woodhaven has gotten progressively worse since I got my license almost 25 years ago. This bus lane has exacerbated the situation. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 19:43:46 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 18:42:01 2018. I drove on it daily for nine years between 1996 and 2005. Now I use it on weekends. Woodhaven takes five minutes longer and Queens Blvd takes 5 minutes longer without too much traffic. So my 45 minute trip now takes between 55 minutes and an hour. That's like a 25 percent increase in travel times. I don't even want to think of how bad it must be on the weekdays during rush hours. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 21:36:49 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 19:43:46 2018. It's despicable.At one time I could leave at 7 am from the Rockaway peninsula about a mile and a half from the crossbay bridge and make it to the cross Bronx in an hour. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 22:32:47 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Catfish 44 on Thu Dec 6 18:42:01 2018. The bus lanes are awful, but what’s even worse is the elimination of the turn on red on the LIE exit ramp. It creates awful backups. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 22:33:32 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 19:43:46 2018. It is worse during rush hours. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 6 23:28:13 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Dec 6 22:32:47 2018. I remember that was a thread off topic.Problem was autos did not respect pedestrians and challenged them creating frustration and fear. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 6 23:38:59 2018, in response to Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 14:01:18 2018. Bus lanes may be causing more accidents too.More cameras are also slowing down drivers. |
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Posted by Allan on Sat Dec 8 10:49:50 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 15:28:03 2018. "We also are not talking about the Bx12 right now, so if it works or not is not really relevant to this discussion. "It is relevant in that if it applied in the proper situation the SBS can work. The Woodhaven Blvd SBS is proving that it wasn't the proper situation (or not planned properly). |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 8 18:24:19 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Allan on Sat Dec 8 10:49:50 2018. I never said SBS can't work. I think the B82 also could work if that were done correctly.Also, I think the Q70 works except for the fact that it should have been free and not SBS and should have been instituted 30 years ago. Also, why is there no route, SBS or not, from Grand Central to LGA? Why should you have to go to 125 St? |
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Posted by Allan on Sun Dec 9 11:30:43 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 8 18:24:19 2018. Given the amount of street traffic in the area of GC/42 (and even on the FDR in that area) it would take longer for bus service (even SBS) to make it over to LGA than taking the subway up to 125 for the M60 (or the 7 to 74/Bway for the Q70. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun Dec 9 13:00:18 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Allan on Sun Dec 9 11:30:43 2018. Thanks for the info. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Dec 9 15:50:36 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 8 18:24:19 2018. " Also, why is there no route, SBS or not, from Grand Central to LGA? Why should you have to go to 125 St? "#7 runs from Grand Central to Jackson Hts, and there is the Q70. There is no need to duplicate the subway part that takes 20 minutes. |
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Posted by The Silence on Mon Dec 10 00:03:58 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Dec 6 23:28:13 2018. I nearly got run over crossing that spot by the old BQM1. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 10 00:26:24 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 8 18:24:19 2018. Why Grand Central to LGA? 100% of Metro-North riders will pass 125st on the way to Grand and can take the M60 from there.That said getting from Metro-North territory to JFK (until ESA opens) is quite annoying. There is the JFK Airporter express bus for $19 but unless you already know it exists, you won't find it (it is not in Google Transit, nor is it mentioned on any MTA maps, announcements or signage). |
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Posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 10 06:42:07 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Mon Dec 10 00:26:24 2018. Cheapest way from GCT to JFK I suppose is #7, E/F, Q10.A lot of stairs. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 10 20:14:46 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Joe V on Mon Dec 10 06:42:07 2018. No elevators at Jackson Heights? No good for suitcases. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 21:58:54 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Dec 10 20:14:46 2018. This again?There are elevators at Jackson Heights. |
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Posted by William A. Padron on Tue Dec 11 10:31:03 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Dec 10 21:58:54 2018. Which are prone to breakdowns at Roosevelt Avenue.Union Turnpike-Kew Gardens ("E"/"F") and Lefferts Boulevard ("A") have elevators. -William A. Padron ["R-324"] |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 14:50:23 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by William A. Padron on Tue Dec 11 10:31:03 2018. All elevators are so prone. |
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Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Dec 11 19:16:15 2018, in response to Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Dec 6 14:01:18 2018. I ride the Q52 at least twice a week and I can personally say the service is better than before. However, it could and should be better than it is.For starters the officials or whoever did not deliver everything that was promised. From what I understand there should be a traffic signal delay if a SBS approaches. That's not happening here. Seem like the buses crawl across Jamaica Bay compared to before SBS. There's also the actions of some of the drivers. For example, when they approach a yellow light they stop-even though the other side of the intersection is completely clear. When they approach a local bus stopped at a local bus stop, instead of bypassing the local it will wait for the local bus to pull out first then proceed. On time I was on a northbound Q52. We just passed over the Atlantic Avenue overpass when we started passing a Q11 on the service road. There's a point north of the overpass where the Q11/Q21 merge onto the main road. The Q52 was already on the main road and approached the merge first. Instead of proceeding, the driver stopped and let the Q11 in first. Maybe they are instructed to operate in this manner I have no idea but I do know it's a small success and if operated like it was intended can be a huge success. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Dec 11 20:56:53 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Tue Dec 11 19:16:15 2018. I am sure the bus service is slightly better from what I have heard. The question is was it worth the huge cost and the great inconvenience for drivers. The bus riders are not the only ones to be considered. Everyone's time matters.I can't answer your questions regarding the actions you describe by the bus drivers. It might have something to do with the schedule. Maybe the SBS was ahead of schedule so he let the local go first. As far as the priority signals, DOT has been promising it all over the city for a number of years and has been very slow in implementing it. You should read the comptroller's report last year where he discussed it. Frankly, I can't understand why the time savings is as small as DOT stated. You would think that just prepaying your fare would save three minutes and the lanes would save another three, yet they said there was a combined savings of only three minutes if you traveled at least 5 miles. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 09:20:19 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Dec 11 14:50:23 2018. At SEPTA, we have more escalator problems than elevator problems, IIRC. Especially the escalators that are "partially "outdoor, like at Arrott Transportation Center. It was was always crapshoot whether it would work on any given day. Arrott is installing (3) elevators presently, in a big overhaul of the station.So , I'm looking forward to that, with my impairment. Arrott Transportation Center (Margaret/Orthodox Station) Improvements at Arrott Transportation Center (Margaret‐Orthodox Station) on the Market‐Frankford Line that will make the station ADA accessible. Includes installation of one elevator to connect the street and platform level of the elevated station, and two accessible elevators to connect the platform level to the East Station overpass. Other accessibility improvements include new curb ramps, sidewalk repaving and ADA‐ compliant signage. This project also provides for new platforms with tactile edging; repair/replacement of stairways, handrails, new metal wall panels, tile wall finishes, and canopy roof; safety and security enhancements including lighting, security cameras, power and communication system upgrades; and Art‐in‐Transit. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Dec 12 11:39:54 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 09:20:19 2018. With all the technology we have, it's amazing that outdoor escalators pies so much iof a problem. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 11:56:29 2018, in response to Re: Woodhaven SBS: Success or Failure?, posted by TransitChuckG on Wed Dec 12 09:20:19 2018. I agree, Brooklyn Bus |
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