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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 16 02:26:11 2018, in response to Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jun 16 02:07:31 2018. http://web.mta.info/mta/news/books/pdf/180618_1000_transit-bus.pdf |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 07:46:14 2018, in response to Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jun 16 02:07:31 2018. I looked over the newest iteration of the SIM Plan, which we should now assume is operational. It'll only be altered if any aspects prove absolutely disastrous.As I see it, they made some sensible changes- in particular, adding back the Richmond/Morani stop to SIM 4/8. The nearby stops to which people were to be redirected (Richmond/Lander and Richmond/Victory) are already packed- and even under the new plan, they'll have to absorb people from Lamberts Lane (SIM 4 only, actually) and Eton Place. If the Morani stop had really been eliminated, people would be literally waiting in the street at Lander and at Victory. I made this comment not only here, but also via online comment to the MTA and in person at one of the March open houses. I'm glad common sense prevailed. Now, onto the SIM 33. While it's too bad that the miserable left turn (currently made by the x10 and x10B) from Richmond Avenue to Victory Blvd is being brought back from the dead, that's just one of those things. The planned new stop at Croton/Christopher really wouldn't have been very accessible, especially in winter, when the Stop & Shop parking lot would be iced over. By keeping the route similar to the x10/10B, people can more easily connect to it from Bulls Head and even Richmond Ave south of Victory. But what I would REALLY like to see would be real re-thinking of the SIM 7 & 33. How about this- after they serve the WFC/Brookfield Place, the continue along West Street/0th Ave, like today's x31, make a right at W34th/10th, and end at W34th/6th? This way, not only would there still be service to the far west side, but also to Hudson Yards- an area the City and State are trying to build up? Yes, it'd inconvenience the people who work near NYU- but in my observation, that's not a lot of people- while in fact significant- and growing- numbers of people need west side access. The MTA's suggestion to transfer to the subway will only make sense when a 10th Avenue subway is built (i.e. never). This routing would still avoid the long Manhattan routing they're seeking to get rid of, as the buses would not travel the long 5th Ave/Broadway (outbound) or Trinity/Church/6th Ave (inbound), but instead would use routes that move relatively well. How's that for thinking "outside the box"? |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 07:49:52 2018, in response to Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jun 16 02:07:31 2018. As for the changes to the x27/x28- I don't know enough about those routes to comment. But I do think that eliminating the weekend Brooklyn stop currently made by the x17 (I suppose it could have been replaced by the SIM3c?) will make SI service more efficient. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Jun 18 08:23:44 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 07:49:52 2018. It does not need to be replaced. The X28 runs on weekends again. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 08:39:14 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jun 18 08:23:44 2018. Exactly. I was just speculating as to which route would make the stop in place of the x17. But I agree- all are better served with weekend x28 service and SI buses not stopping there. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 18 17:29:57 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 18 07:46:14 2018. Their position seems to be conservative and aimed to be politically palatable (since there's no SI express route to Hudson Yards but there's routes to Greenwich Village, they want to appease those current riders).As far as the X17 to Brooklyn goes, while the original purpose was covered by the revived X28, a non-negligible number of riders used it to travel between Brooklyn & Staten Island. Taking the X17 from my neighborhood to Bay Ridge takes 10-15 minutes compared to spending an hour on the S62 to the S53 (and it's even worse for people further down Richmond who have to take the S44/59 through a roundabout route to/from the S53 or S79). |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by JAzumah on Mon Jun 18 21:51:16 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 18 17:29:57 2018. Someday, that will be a job for a new non-Manhattan express bus route. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 18 23:19:32 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by JAzumah on Mon Jun 18 21:51:16 2018. Or a better local route (the same as anything NJ-related) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 19 15:28:53 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 18 17:29:57 2018. Yes, I realize that's why they're maintaining peak hour service to Greenwich Village, SoHo, and Tribeca.But they're not hesitating to make the whole West Side hard to get to. If I was the King of Buses (a title I've created right now, LOL), I'd make the route I just described. The relatively few people who do need to get to the NYU area can take the SIM 1/2/4/32/34 to Fulton Street and pick up the A/C/R/W. But those areas (NYU, Village, etc) should still have off-peak express bus service -as they will- because GOs make a subway transfer difficult on weekends and late evenings. You could wait 20 minutes for a train and miss the last bus. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 16:40:49 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 19 15:28:53 2018. I object to your new title! Pay up! :-) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed Jun 20 07:17:33 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Spider-Pig on Tue Jun 19 16:40:49 2018. Your objection is duly noted. But as the (self-crowned) KOB, I declare it overruled !!! :) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Dan on Wed Jun 20 11:36:35 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jun 16 02:26:11 2018. The new SI express bus network is now final. The report notes that the New Dorp/Mill road terminal will no longer be used in the PM. But will some AM runs start at Tysens Lane? It's a long haul from the ETC to the Verrazano and many those buses will be filled up by Tysens Lane. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 21 14:02:58 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Dan on Wed Jun 20 11:36:35 2018. I think their hope is that folks on lower Richmond Avenue (between the ETC and Hylan) will use the SIM 22, if going to Midtown. They're hoping that'll keep the SIM 10 empty enough until it reaches Oakwood/New Dorp.As for the SIM 1- that's basically an absorption of the X3 by the X1. The MTA's data shows that between them, the X1 and X3 get a constant (and high) number of passengers- but on any given day, more of them may go to the X1 or X3, depending on which shows up first. So they'll just run enough SIM 1s to equal the service. Now, of course, the X3 is the route that starts in New Dorp- a short turn X1, really with a swing over to Brookfield Place. I guess they feel a SIM 1 with double the service + the SIM 7 can achieve the same purpose. It sounds good on paper on an expert's screen. Let's see if it works in practice. And as for those folks who live in Midland Beach who want Church Street or Brookfield, and the Willowbrook/Westerleigh folks who want the far west side- well, they're being told to lump it. Politely, of course. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by K. Trout on Thu Jun 21 16:59:44 2018, in response to Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jun 16 02:07:31 2018. The B35 arctic conversion is interesting. I guess by decreasing headways but increasing capacity the goal is to reduce bunching along Church Ave. Anecdotally, I often will wait a long time for a rush-hour B35 and several will show up together (usually one will be a limited as well); passengers will crowd the first and the others will have seats available. So hopefully this will make buses flow a bit more smoothly and the traffic along Church won't impact bus service so significantly. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jun 23 11:09:10 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Thu Jun 21 14:02:58 2018. There are a combined total of 55 morning X2, X3, X9 trips out of New Dorp (Mill Rd/Tysens Lane. That's roughly 3,000 passengers total. We'l have to see how it plays out once the SIM routes take effect. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Chicago44 on Sat Jun 23 14:46:03 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Dan on Sat Jun 23 11:09:10 2018. Weren't there supposed to be some trips that start at Tysens Lane/Mill Rd during the AM peak as part of this new SIM route? |
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Posted by Dan on Sun Jun 24 12:07:46 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Chicago44 on Sat Jun 23 14:46:03 2018. We won't know until the SIM schedules are posted. The SIM maps do not show any service starting at New Dorp. As I said 55 trips = approx 3,000 passengers.Here is a pdf of the current 55 AM trips on the X2, X3, X9 out of New Dorp - - Current AM peak trips out of New Dorp (Tysens Lane/Mill Rd) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by JAzumah on Sun Jun 24 13:41:48 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Dan on Sun Jun 24 12:07:46 2018. If I had to guess, the planners will schedule short-turns on some SIM1 and SIM5 buses to allow more early buses to do a second trip in the morning. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 25 07:42:42 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Dan on Sat Jun 23 11:09:10 2018. Yes, but not all passengers start out their trips at Mill/Tysens. Also, I think they really want to avoid short turns- their intention (success yet to be determined) is that the SIM 10 is the SIM 10, and that's it. They figure they'll be able to increase the frequency of the SIM and SIM 10 so that short turns aren't necessary. Here's how:1) The peak-hour SIM 1 will only run to Worth Street, not 23rd. That's probably 2 miles in each direction saved right there, that lets the buses get back to SI faster. Essentially, this is permanently short-turning the 1 in Manhattan 2) The X3 is eliminated and merged into the X1/SIM 1. The combination of these routes will almost certainly require fewer buses than the total of the 2 together- but still allow for more frequent service on than the X1 currently provides. 3) The X7 and X9 are merged into the SIM 7, which also ends well short of midtown. The SIM 7 will almost certainly need few buses than the X7 and X9 do together. 4) All of the surplus buses from the X3, X7, and X9 can be added to the SIM 10, which is a lengthened X2. With much more frequent service, on fewer varieties of routes, there should be less crowding. That's what I think is their thought. But what I can imagine happening is massive bus bunching. I frequently observe 73 people pack onto the first bus they see, and a nearly empty one follows it on the same route- and makes a faster trip. But NO- people just pack that first bus. Nearly everyone has a smartphone, and should be able to use Bus Time to see that another bus or 2 is nearby. But I guess more people are playing whatever silly game is hot than actually using their smartphone for something practical- like getting a seat on the bus. So that's how I see it- this whole thing could well be the triumph of genius over common sense. Genius planning, precise scheduling, all defeated by the behavior of NYers. And not just the riders- countless delays are caused by delivery trucks and official city vehicles parked at chokepoints at 5:15 PM |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Jun 25 08:37:30 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 25 07:42:42 2018. The New Dorp/New Dorp Beach/Oawkood communities have had at least some express services starting at Mill/Tysens since 1974. The population of those neighborhoods increased dramatically since then. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 25 23:57:28 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by Dan on Mon Jun 25 08:37:30 2018. I agree with you that there should still be some trips starting in New Dorp, but you're missing his point. His point is that those trips don't solely serve New Dorp riders (i.e. They don't run nonstop from New Dorp to Manhattan and don't fill up 55 trips with solely New Dorp residents) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jun 26 00:07:14 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 25 07:42:42 2018. The way I see it, they took the inefficiency on the Manhattan end and simply shifted it over to the Staten Island end (being that SI traffic is generally easier to deal with than Manhattan traffic, it may be more efficient than the current setup, but in my opinion, isn't the optimal efficiency that could be achieved). Right now, aside from the X1, the general pattern is that the longer routes from Eltingville take the quicker route via Father Capodanno, while the shorter routes from New Dorp take the busier route via Hylan Blvd.The way I see it, they could've done something like this: X1: Eliminated (Rush hours) X2: Rerouted via 5th/Madison X3: Rerouted to Worth Street X4: Rerouted to Worth Street X5: Rerouted to 5th/Madison, and also routed via Great Kills (Eltingville riders take the SIM22/X21 to Midtown for a one-seat ride, or take the S79 or another express bus over to Giffords Lane for Midtown service) X7: Truncated to 14th Street, and placed on Richmond Avenue instead of Giffords Lane X8: Remains the same X9: Truncated to 14th Street The tradeoff is that 6th Avenue doesn't receive service (I mean, theoretically, with the savings from getting rid of the X1, you might be able to create an X2A/X5A branch via 6th instead of Madison, but that might be too confusing). |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jun 26 00:17:37 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jun 25 07:42:42 2018. And to be fair, there are some savvy riders who do use BusTime wisely (even pre-BusTime, there were often riders that refused to get on a standing room-only bus. As a matter of fact, there still are).Me personally, it depends on the particular situation. I don't mind standing if necessary, and given that I'm right near the SIE on the X17, it will usually end up being faster to just get on the first bus that comes (So if there's another bus say, 5 minutes behind mine, it usually won't actually pass us because we're not making any more stops). What irks me is when a bus pulls up standing room-only, and opens the door, but doesn't actually let anybody on. All that does is waste time. Either let us on if we don't mind standing, or just skip the stop entirely. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 26 15:29:17 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jun 25 23:57:28 2018. Thanks. That was in fact, my point. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 26 15:40:04 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jun 26 00:17:37 2018. Of course there are savvy riders who use Bus Time- I consider myself to be one of them :) And I also passed up really crowded buses even in the old dumb phone (and pre cell phone days). Back in 1999, I rode an x17 to Downtown standing up. My back was in miserable condition by the time I got to work. And I was 19 years younger then!! Risk standing nowadays= forget it!!And I agree with you about SRO buses that stop but don't let anyone on. Just FYI= I'm now a regular user of the x11, and the x10 (off-peak). I also have considerable experience with the x1/3, x17 (all varieties) and x31. Once in a blue moon, I've used the x9. From 1999-2001, I used the x19 almost every day. Never had any reason personally, to use any of the others, though obviously they fill a need. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 26 15:41:00 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 26 15:40:04 2018. Forgot to mention the x15. Once in a blue moon, I start my day in the New Dorp/Richmond area |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 06:52:16 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jun 26 15:40:04 2018. The opposite of that situation is when the following bus passes the leader. I remember a time when both the X10 and X17 had delays and the X10 driver was a bit irritated/confused as to why I didn't get on the X10 bus in front of her (she was like a block behind when the bus was in the stop). The X17 had a single bus after a huge gap and I was headed to Forest Avenue so I didn't bother with that. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 06:53:25 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 06:52:16 2018. If you pay attention to the bus numbers on the desktop app you can avoid that issue but otherwise you can fall into that trap as well. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jul 7 10:53:46 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 3 06:53:25 2018. They updated the site with a Google Maps overlay of the stops (both on the Manhattan end and SI end) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 8 23:16:31 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jul 7 10:53:46 2018. I took a look at it. I wonder if it's fully accurate? If so, I certainly have some observations and questions:1)It looks like they've restored the x17/SIM 4 stop on Lambert's Lane, right after the bus turns left from Richmond Avenue. That's good. When I rode the x17A (2001-2010), I observed that stop to be well used. 2) I notice that the SIM 33 is shown skipping BOTH Richmond/Morani and Victory/Morani, even though those stops will continue to exist, and the SIM 33 will pass right by them. I hope that's a mistake. Otherwise, it's pretty dumb... 2A) It also shows Sim 33s returning from Manhattan won't stop at Victory Richmond. Gotta be a mistake... 3) In Manhattan, it looks like they don't plan for the SIM 4c to stop on West 23rd, right after it turns from 6th Avenue, as the x10 does now. I hope that's an oversight. If it's intentional, it's pretty dumb- as people who want to travel anywhere west of East 23-Broadway will have to double-back. 4) It looks like the SIM 15 will continue to run on Trinity/Church as the x15 does now. That's very good. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 9 02:01:28 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 8 23:16:31 2018. So looking at the new map, Downtown, it looks like the SIM1/4 are paired up at stops and the SIM2/32/34 are grouped up. Along 5th Avenue, it looks like the SIM3/8, SIM6/10/31, and SIM22/23/24/25/26/30 are grouped up. (Personally, I would've had the SIM30/31 put with the SIM3/8 since that would somewhat keep all the North Shore routes together for the people who can take the first bus that comes). With their proposed setup, North Shore riders have to choose in advance between the SIM3 & SIM30. Also, considering the entire Midtown-Hylan ridership base will be concentrated on the SIM6/10, that's another reason for them to have their own stops (the SIM31 can only really be used as a backup to head to the ETC)As far as the northern Midtown terminals go, the SIM23/24 continue to terminate at 5th/Madison & 59th, the SIM3/6/10/30 terminate at Central Park South, and the SIM8/22/25/26/31 terminate at 57th & Lexington. Off-peak, the SIM1C/3C/4C all terminate at Central Park South and share their Manhattan stops going down. Also, the SIM5X will apparently be skipping some stops in Manhattan (it will stop at Battery/Greenwich, Water/Whitehall, and Water/Fulton, and bypass Water/Old Slip and Water/Maiden, as well as stop short of Water/Frankfort) |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 9 02:09:28 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Sun Jul 8 23:16:31 2018. 1) I agree, but they still didn't restore the southbound stop (also, they show the northbound SIM4C stopping at Richmond & Victory and Richmond & Morani in addition to Victory & Richmond, which is obviously a mistake).2) I agree. Some people are going to be in for an unpleasant surprise if they walk to Victory & Morani and think "It's the express bus stop, all the express buses stop here like they used to", only to see the SIM33 speed right by them (or crawl, if it happens to be a bad day along the SIE with a heavy backup across the island) To be fair, the PDF shows the SIM33 stopping at Richmond & Morani, so I would assume it was an oversight when they made the Google Map. 2a) I mean, the original plan showed the SIM33 bypassing that intersection via Morani Street in the PM, so who knows (technically, I think the PDFs are for the AM stops, which is weird because it lists Richmond & Morani as opposed to Richmond & Merrill) 3) I agree. 4) I agree (though personally, I think they should've just had the SIM15/35 run down Church/Broadway and called it a day). |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 9 12:39:40 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 9 02:09:28 2018. I'd tend to agree that the PDFs are for the AM trips, as they show the SIM 8 stopping at places that it cannot on the return trip.And I also noticed that the southbound stop at Lamberts/Richmond wasn't restored for the SIM 4- and that the return trip on the SIM 4c indicates the wrong location for the Victory/Richmond stop. Finally, running some errands yesterday, I was driving on South Gannon, and I noticed that the orange/blue "death notice" is posted at South Gannon/Willowbrook (where it shouldn't be) and isn't posted at on South Gannon right after the turn from Victory- where it should be. Looks to me like they still have quite a bit of work to do. Hopefully, by the time they publish formal PDF/printed service guides, they'll have it right. |
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Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 9 20:55:09 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Jul 9 12:39:40 2018. I've seen people put up photos of them being posted up at Victory & Manor, which is definitely not being eliminated (or at least I would hope!). I theorized that they put them up to get people's attention that there would be changes in general, but then cases like what you mentioned (stops that are scheduled to be eliminated being left without the notices) has me thinking otherwise.But yeah, nothing to do but wait at this point. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 10 15:59:30 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Jul 9 20:55:09 2018. RE: Victory and Manor:I think the "death notices" are being posted at every stop AFFECTED- so maybe that stop is being moved a few feet? I say this because the death notice has been posted at the "American Dental Center" on Richmond Ave/Victory- right next to a new pole with a "SIM 8" sign on it a few feet farther north. I think the issue is external vs. internal communication. Internally, any stop either completely eliminated or moved a few feet is "affected". To the public, not so much. I even noticed a death notice where no express bus currently stops- on the Bradley Avenue overpass over the expressway. This is scheduled to be a drop-off for the SIM 31. Like I said, it's an affected location for sure. But posting the death notice there is likely to confuse members of the public who aren't as attuned to transit trivia as users of this board tend to be. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jul 12 22:30:39 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 10 15:59:30 2018. I took the X10 to Manhattan and noticed the Victory & Richmond sign says the SIM4 to Downtown will stop there, not the SIM4 to Midtown. Also, the Richmond/Merrill and Richmond/Lander stops are missing the SIM33 sign (they just say a bus to Greenwich Village stops there) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jul 12 22:30:41 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Tue Jul 10 15:59:30 2018. I took the X10 to Manhattan and noticed the Victory & Richmond sign says the SIM4 to Downtown will stop there, not the SIM4 to Midtown. Also, the Richmond/Merrill and Richmond/Lander stops are missing the SIM33 sign (they just say a bus to Greenwich Village stops there) |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 14:56:56 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jul 12 22:30:41 2018. I noticed last Friday that the stop at Annadale/Token is marked the same way- SIM 4 to downtown (and S55 to the Mall- but that's not what we're talking about) |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jul 13 16:42:09 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 14:56:56 2018. Staten Island is turning into SIM City. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Jul 28 11:27:06 2018, in response to Re: Bx27 Extension, SI Express Bus Changes, B35 Artic Conversion, Q6 & Q69 Enhancements, posted by MainR3664 on Fri Jul 13 14:56:56 2018. I went to Forest & Maple yesterday (I thought it was the X30 stop on the westbound side, but it was actually the X12/42 stop on the eastbound side) to meet with the MTA officials (nobody from the Operations Planning was there, but the community outreach representatives said that Operations Planning had received my blog post and are looking into the schedules to make sure they have adequate spans, frequencies, and coverage). They said that some of those trips may need to be covered by extras, since the runs were already out for picking, but they will be on the schedule.They also told me that they will be proactively dispatching buses, especially with regards to the "via NJ" routes, since they have that big I-495 viaduct project coming up. So trips may be rerouted via Brooklyn as needed. |
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