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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 12:32:57 2018 Multiple feared dead |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 13:11:24 2018, in response to BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 12:32:57 2018. There was no "plunge" involved. The school bus and dump truck collided in the traffic lanes of I-80 and the bus body ended up in the level grass median.The crash happened just 4 miles from me near I-80 exit 25 (I live between exits 30 and 28, just 200 feet from the highway). Which brings me to another point. Why are we still putting our school children in medium-duty box trucks with windows that often suffer complete disassembly in collisions like this? The greatest school bus we could have is mothballed - the RTS. A 35-foot RTS would make the safest, most durable school bus this country has ever seen. The welded stainless-steel unitized body would not only take a hit, but would never radically disassemble like the junk we have been using for decades. 
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 13:28:56 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 13:11:24 2018. In the 1950's, some school bus systems using Old Look GM transits, without center doors, all forward facing seats, yellow, flashers, etc. I remember seeing a few in the early 1960's in Hewlett station bus yard at the time as Brothers Bus Company.The reason was not so much safety, but a longer-lived vehicle with a slower depreciation schedule. Green Bus Lines was in the school bus business. In the 1960's a bunch of Fishbowls would surround JHS210 in Ozone Park, and probably otehr schools. The route signs were for most every route in southern Queens, and the destination sign was "School Bus". Brings back memories of this in 1970, which I think was a chartered Fishbowl transit, though I can't confirm that now. After that school type buses were banned from overnight and interstate trips, as that would have yield worse results. Hillel |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 16:25:51 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 13:11:24 2018. Holy crap !The whole bus body separated from the chassis. Maybe this day trip should have been handled by a charter bus company rather than the school district relying this flimsy box on a chassis. I wouldn't trust these school buses on the highway even though most don't have accidents. But just one accident like this. :( Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Thu May 17 16:31:48 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 16:25:51 2018. Update |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 16:56:43 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 16:25:51 2018. Aren't they made that way, so the body stays whole ? |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 18:23:06 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 16:25:51 2018. Part of the problem is, school buses do have seat belts (NJ is one of 6 states that require them, as does New York). But although they've been available prior, motorcoaches have only required seat belts in the last 3 years. The new NJT MCIs are seat-belt equipped, but the charter rates are likely prohibitive for a school district. ShortLine and Saddle River have some of the new NJT-owned MCIs and are nearby to Paramus for such a journey [private companies who receive NJT-owned buses for non-NJT routes can be chartered outside of rush hours], but a Paramus school bus only costs the driver's hours and the fuel. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 18:29:23 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 18:23:06 2018. Besides 2 fatalities, one child had brain surgery, another lost 4 fingers. It was sickening to hear it on TV.As for using today's Cruiser bus, they are safer than school buses, but I am not impressed with the way the windows seem to pop out to readily in crashes, they are too tall, too top heavy, flip over too easily, and have window pillars that are too narrow. I'd feel much safer in a GMC PD-4106. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 20:10:10 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Thu May 17 16:56:43 2018. Aren't they made that way, so the body stays whole ?The body stayed whole, but separated from the chassis. Perhaps a movement for a long overdue redesign of the school bus to a much safer model ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 06:19:39 2018, in response to BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu May 17 12:32:57 2018. Somebody "said" the school bus was attempting an illegal U-Turn in one of those cut-outs designated for specific vehicles only. This so far has not been confirmed, so best to wait for the official accident report. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri May 18 07:21:45 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 06:19:39 2018. NBC News reported that there is video showing the school bus making an illegal U turn on the highway. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 07:32:20 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by northshore on Fri May 18 07:21:45 2018. Oh, my! Well, that tells us a lot! Stupid bus driver... |
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Posted by HART BUS on Fri May 18 11:17:37 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 07:32:20 2018. Sadly this is shades of the limousine accident in Long Island's wine country a few years ago where the long vehicle was attempting to make a U-turn without the safety of a light. Sadly four young ladies perished, |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 18 11:48:09 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 06:19:39 2018. Yup... The driver missed exit 25, The next exit was half way to Pennsylvania, well actually exit 19, just six miles away. He would have been a half an hour late and surely someone had a cell phone to let the others know that what had happened.As for the truck, that driver had 11 accidents in the past two years. This one clearly was not on him. ROAR |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Fri May 18 13:45:32 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by TransitChuckG on Fri May 18 06:19:39 2018. The one and only time I ever used one of those no u-turn things, there had been hardly moving traffic for miles and the report said the accident was still over 10 miles away. The only reason the left lane was moving more than the others was people exiting via the u-turn, so I followed suit. Had no trouble merging into the 80MPH traffic on the other side, but when I got home I found shards of metal wedged in two tires from the debris in that crosspath. Way more expensive than any traffic ticket, and I won't be doing that again! |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 18 17:59:54 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 20:10:10 2018. I'd rather we abolish school type buses per se and use modified transit buses with seat belts, sans center door, as we did the the 1940's - 1960's with Old Look transits. They are expensive though. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 18 18:01:39 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 18 11:48:09 2018. 6 miles each way to X19, more like losing 13 minutes, not a half hour. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 19 12:38:22 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu May 17 16:25:51 2018. Certainly opens up the conversation, in my mind, that should we allow School Buses on Interstate Highways, even if it's during regular transportation to/from school?IMO traveling on such a high speed road such as I80 in NJ, where let's be real, speeds are at least 70 MPH, a school bus body on that road is potentially unsafe as proven. They use the School Bus because it's already available. But we should shift the conversation to them using a "real bus" for a trip like this,even though it would cost the parents/school district more $$$$$. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 12:40:18 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 19 12:38:22 2018. The front end of the school bus was torn off by the truck. Had it been a real bus, that would have been the front door, driver area and front seat pulverized with also a few deaths. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sat May 19 16:18:02 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 12:40:18 2018. The front end of the school bus was torn off by the truck.Not accurate. The truck hit the bus in the left rear side. The body disassembled from the inertia of the collision. The nose of a school bus stays with the chassis, as the nose is part of the cutaway truck from which the bus is based. The front of the dump truck is another story. Almost everything forward of the windshield was destroyed, which indicates the truck hit something with a severe speed difference. That is consistent with the preliminary stories that the bus attempted to cut straight across the highway to the official-use-only u-turn in the median. Even if the dump truck was below the 65 mph limit, a school bus traveling at a 90° angle to the truck has a highway-path speed of zero, so the dump truck basically hit a stationary object. 
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Posted by Joe V on Sat May 19 17:03:13 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Sat May 19 16:18:02 2018. So the truck could have T-boned the school bus in the middle with many fatalities also. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon May 21 10:29:15 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 13:11:24 2018. I used the term "plunge" instead of the more accurate "crash" out of tradition. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:47:29 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Thu May 17 13:11:24 2018. This accident was horrible indeed. I'll take your word that an RTS bus would've held up better- I have no scientific knowledge of the matter.But I have wondered since I myself was a kid why school systems didn't just use transit bus bodies- just face all the seats forward, maybe put in seat belts. Is there some reason, valid or not, why school buses have that unique body type? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 15:51:38 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:47:29 2018. Cheap.GM Old Looks were used as school buses until the early 1960's. Now compare the cost of them to a 40' New Flyer. Even adjust for inflation, they are too expensive. School type buses until the 1970's used to fall apart far more readily. I remember back then "SCHOOL BUS" front and rear was a destination sign. It was a board behinda window that flipped, the other side saying "CHARTERED". School charters using highways should never be school buses, not that US46 is any safer than I-80. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 16:57:04 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 15:51:38 2018. In addition to cost, there are several other reasons.1 - School bus windows only open from the top down. This greatly reduces the possibility of a child falling out of an open window. 2 - The rear emergency door allows access from almost any position of the bus body unless the bus is somehow standing on its end. 3 - The traditional high-floor design keeps children above a normal T-bone or rear-end collision from a car. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 17:09:36 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 16:57:04 2018. Does anyone build a high floor transit bus anymore ?When the Fishbowl era ended, so did the option of an emergency door on the left side, half way back. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 17:27:31 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 17:09:36 2018. NJ Transit's NABIs were the last standard-floor transit buses in the US offered by a major transit bus manufacturer. Smaller manufacturers like Thomas will build them from their rear-drive school bus designs, but that's nothing a large transit operation would ever consider. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 17:39:13 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 17:27:31 2018. The NABI did not hold up too well in the Newark T-bone wreck on Broad Street a couple of years ago. |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Wed May 23 19:43:44 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 17:27:31 2018. New Flyer only builds low floor buses, and I comes only as an Xcelsior Model.New Flyer So, no school buses from them, ever, I think. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 20:08:18 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Wed May 23 17:39:13 2018. While true the one NABI bent at the impact point like an artic, it did stay upright and on its wheels, and didn't suffer separation like the school bus. The collisions were similar in that a high-speed vehicle made a flush strike to a vehicle crossing its path. That might be something for an engineering department at a technical college to investigate and compare at some point. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 24 13:48:26 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Wed May 23 20:08:18 2018. Given the weight of a dump truck, it woulda been very hard for this accident to not be catastrophic. But if there's a practical engineering change that could make things better, it should be done. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 14:07:53 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by MainR3664 on Thu May 24 13:48:26 2018. The truck could have T-boned the school bus broadside, and that would have been fatal to most inside. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 25 07:06:46 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Thu May 24 14:07:53 2018. That's kinda what I'm getting at. I'm all in favor of reasonable design changes that will make things better. School buses look very top-heavy to me, and when they make turns or go over even slight bumps, I see a lot of bouncing. Transit (and coach) buses, whether low or high floor, seem to do a lot less of that. But others have stated that school buses are intentionally higher, to minimize injuries resulting from ordinary under-run accidents.But these differences between school and transit buses just trade one set of risks for another. And, since transit buses seem both more stable and more sturdy, and since a lot of kids ride on them as well, that might be the better way to go. However, as I'm sure most of us know, a loaded dump truck hitting a bus, whether it's the old "Superior" I rode in 1974, a Fishbowl, Old Look, RTS or Orion, will be a disaster no matter what. The fault lies with this dumbass driver who decided to use the U-Turn. There's a REASON why those are marked "authorized use only". |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 25 07:12:06 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Fri May 18 18:01:39 2018. But you have to come back around, so that's another 13 minutes, making 26. Then add a few minutes to exit and enter...and there's a half-hour.BUT...that's still no excuse for the terrible risk, with awful results, that this driver took. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 09:22:06 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 25 07:12:06 2018. No, it would have been 13 minutes total. The next exit on I-80 was just 6 miles away from the accident. Go down to exit 19, take the ramp, wait maybe a minute at the light, get back on 80 east, and 6 miles later, back at exit 25 where you wanted to be. |
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Posted by Snilcher on Fri May 25 17:06:46 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 25 07:06:46 2018. Even if it had been a legal U-turn location, the decision to cut across 3 lanes of traffic to reach it was incredibly shortsighted. |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:56:17 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 09:22:06 2018. Given his speeding record, more like 11 minutes. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 18:48:19 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Fri May 25 17:56:17 2018. True. You get caught 8 times for speeding, that means there are countless times you've gotten away with it. I've had my license for 36 years - never had a speeding ticket. I'm the guy in the right lane minding my business at or near the speed limit while everyone else is blowing by me. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 25 20:16:30 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by MainR3664 on Fri May 25 07:06:46 2018. I will say this (as somebody who works in highway construction) Those "Authorized Vehicles Only" signs are pretty much there to prevent overuse of those types of locations. A single vehicle using it is no more safe or unsafe whether it's marked with some type of official plate or not (those plates/amber lights don't change the laws of physics).When you're exiting the construction site/work zone, and trying to accelerate into the left lane of general traffic in a 50 mph zone without any assistance from a flagger slowing down the traffic for you, that's scary regardless of whether or not you're in an official vehicle. (That's why the speed limits in work zones are usually lowered, even when there's a concrete barrier separating it from the traffic), because in the event some vehicle needs to leave the zone, it's safer for them to do so when the surrounding traffic is at a lower speed. Basically, if a police officer needed to make that U-turn for whatever reason, he's just as much at risk as the school bus if he doesn't do it properly/carefully. So obviously he's at fault and shouldn't have been using it in the first place, but at the very least, if he did decide to use it instead of doing the proper thing and just backtracking, he should've done it with extreme caution and patience. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 25 20:48:27 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 18:48:19 2018. As one of the drivers who would blow past you, I commend you for doing so in the right lane! If only more drivers were like you. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 21:28:46 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS PLUNGE IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri May 25 20:48:27 2018. Thanks! :) My dad was a truck driver, a bus driver, and a police officer. I learned from a true professional at the wheel. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 21:33:29 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 25 20:16:30 2018. I live just 200 feet from I-80 (I'm about 4-5 miles east of the accident site), and there's another official-use u-turn in direct site of my home. The majority of the time, police officers using it will turn on their roof lights when they're ready to pull out - that usually gets people to vacate the left lane for them. DOT trucks will usually activate their amber light bars or strobes for the same reason. People here are pretty good about letting them out (better to have a police car want to be in front of you than behind you). |
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Posted by NJT Oradell on Sat May 26 10:36:48 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Fri May 25 21:33:29 2018. The bus driver, and by extension his employer the Paramus School District, are liable for him driving across ("almost perpendicular") three lanes of highway traffic regardless of why he did it. Had he swerved to avoid something and been hit the same way he wouldn't be facing death by auto charges. But what he did was reckless and unreasonable, thus he has to face justice. Whatever happens to him really doesn't matter to the victims who are still alive and the loved ones of the fatalities. They'll get their settlements whether he goes to prison or not. And nothing will change the horror and grief that they are suffering and will continue to suffer. But as a professional school bus driver his actions are held to a higher standard than the average person driving a car, so justice will be served cold to him. But he deserves it. When you drive the way he does and accumulate the driving record he has, it's usually only a matter of time before you do something really stupid. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sat May 26 15:54:28 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by NJT Oradell on Sat May 26 10:36:48 2018. The Paramus school superintendent stated she never received information about his driving record (10 tickets/summonses, 14 suspensions). She said the state only told them he was a driver in good standing and eligible for school bus driving. Please explain how any organization - public or private - hiring a bus driver does not require an abstract. This is a safety position... you don't want Joe Anybody behind the wheel of something that size full of passengers. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 26 16:34:01 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri May 25 20:16:30 2018. I agree. No signage alters the law of physics. But like you said, that restriction on the use of those u-turns should lower the number of vehicles that use it, and thus the likelihood of disaster. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 27 10:23:58 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Sat May 26 15:54:28 2018. How old is this guy, 77?That should be enough to disqualify him. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun May 27 15:59:59 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 27 10:23:58 2018. Much as we'd like to do that, it's age discrimination, and from a government agency. His 10 moving violations most certainly disqualified him, but Paramus claims they never knew about them.You can set a minimum age, you can set minimum experience... but you ca not set maximums. School bus driving used to be the gig for retirees because of the hours, and that improved in the 80s as more school buses in more areas went to automatic transmissions. When I was a kid in the 70s, the contractor used by Teaneck was 100% stick. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 16:48:10 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Sun May 27 15:59:59 2018. Some school system have mandatory retirements for teachers or admin . They can apply it to their buses drivers too.I think to evade future liability, they'll outsource their bus operations to First Transit. |
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Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun May 27 17:28:54 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by kcram3500 on Sun May 27 15:59:59 2018. When it comes to safety too bad. I understand what you're saying about the discrimination but for the demands of that job it should be a different story. |
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Posted by kcram3500 on Sun May 27 17:32:24 2018, in response to Re: BREAKING: SCHOOL BUS CRASH IN MT. OLIVE, posted by Joe V on Sun May 27 16:48:10 2018. Teachers (and in some districts, administrators/staff) are generally union, so that would be in the contract and agreed upon by both sides. School bus drivers aren't usually union (unless they work for a large company/district) because they're predominantly part-timers. |
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