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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 13:57:34 2016, in response to Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 12:14:55 2016. As long as he's in office, NICE/Transdev stays.When he's out, either by resignation, does not seek re-elected, or gets voted out; we can only hope he/she brings back MTA when the contract expires. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 14:03:59 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 13:57:34 2016. Can we say they threw him under the bus ?IF MTA comes back, half the route system will vanish. That is what they said they would do had LIB survived. MTA does not subsidize buses beyond the 5 boros. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 14:43:32 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 14:03:59 2016. The financial formula for NYC and Nassau are the same. Nassau would not contribute it's required subsidy, therefor MTA had to eliminate service. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 14:44:59 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 13:57:34 2016. If he's behind bars, he won't have much power. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 20 14:56:39 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 14:03:59 2016. Um.... |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 15:12:59 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 14:43:32 2016. Unfortunately, race to the bottom happened. They got a cheapo contractor with underpaid drivers to save some routes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 15:14:25 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 14:43:32 2016. Does NYS-DOT subsidize TA and MaBSTOA routes ? |
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Posted by HART BUS on Thu Oct 20 16:01:00 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 14:03:59 2016. He along with Town of Oyster Bay Supervisor got the silver bracelet treatment today.There was a press conference on the steps of the Legislature Building with a gaggle of Republicans all calling for the resignation of Mangano and Venditto. Speaking to reporters about how terrible this is, was State Senators Jack Martins and Carl Marcellino. Talk about throwing two fellow party members "under the bus". |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 20 16:14:21 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by HART BUS on Thu Oct 20 16:01:00 2016. Too bad I don't work in Mineola anymore. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 18:09:37 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 14:44:59 2016. If he's behind bars, do you think he would still be the county exec? |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:11:23 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 18:09:37 2016. That's my point. If he is out of office, what will happen to NICE with a new County Executive |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:14:49 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Thu Oct 20 15:14:25 2016. No. Mayor Bloomberg got NYC DOT out of the bus business with the MTA takeover of the private lines.NYC does contribute to MTA directly. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Oct 20 20:46:09 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:14:49 2016. NYC does contribute to MTA directly.Can you elaborate please. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 20 20:53:01 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:11:23 2016. You don't have a point. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 21:51:51 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Oct 20 20:46:09 2016. Each county that the MTA serves is required to contribute funds to the MTA. NYC contributes the most being the largest politcal entity. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Oct 20 22:27:21 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 21:51:51 2016. Thank you.NYCDOT fully funds MTABC, so technically they are in the bus business. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 23:12:50 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:11:23 2016. As I said earlier, nothing can happen until the contract with Transdev expires.It doesn't mean that WHEN (no matter what he says) he resigns the bus contract ceases. |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 21 06:48:17 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 19:11:23 2016. That's my point. If he is out of office, what will happen to NICE with a new County ExecutiveProbably nothing will happen in the meantime. Someone has to be appointed county executive to run the county until this is all settled. An interim county executive can't really change NICE as was stated about the contract with Transdev. Bill Newkirk |
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Mangano Returned to work (Re: Mangano Arrested) |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Oct 21 10:43:07 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill Newkirk on Fri Oct 21 06:48:17 2016. Well, according to Newsday article below Mangano returned to work today, so someone probably won't be appointed until he's convicted. or he resigns. Whichever happens first.http://www.newsday.com/long-island/crime/edward-mangano-going-to-work-after-arrest-on-corruption-charges-1.12485811?utm_content=bufferddda2&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 21 18:05:10 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Cornell Park on Thu Oct 20 22:27:21 2016. But wasn't it true that MTA was partially subsidizing MSBA/LIB to supplement Nassau's inadequate subsidy, although they get some NYSOT subside as well ? |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Oct 21 22:53:31 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Fri Oct 21 18:05:10 2016. Supposedly MTA covered Nassau's short fall. Not sure why everybody here has this great idea if Mangano goes, LIB comes back. MTA claimed Nassau owed them millions of dollars, which I don't believe was paid. If anybody really believes MTA is dying to return to under funding, there is something wrong with them.Now, can you tell me what any of this has to do with NYCDOT fully funding MTABC? For the life of me, I can't understand why I say NYCDOT is still in the bus business and you bring up Nassau. I'm not picking on you, I just don't the connection. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Oct 21 23:27:22 2016, in response to Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 20 12:14:55 2016. The original grandiose plan of the MTA running a regional bus system came to a final rest with the failure if MTA LI Bus. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 21 23:31:41 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by TerrApin Station on Thu Oct 20 20:53:01 2016. Yes he does; its just that he's wearing a hat. It can't be seen. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:45:35 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Oct 21 22:53:31 2016. MTA will state their job description does not include subsidizing buses outside of the 5 boros, as I stated 2 days ago. I was really questioning someone else as drawing analogies between MTABC and Nassau COunty.MTA will not retake NICE and it would not be beneficial if they did, because they wil shut half of it down, as they said they would do prior to their getting rid of LIB. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:54:49 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Fri Oct 21 23:27:22 2016. MSBA was originally designed to takeover Suffolk and Westchester buses as well. Once they saw that Nassau County buses alone were a financial basket case, aggravated by the spike in oil prices in 1973, that was the end of that.Some stupid bean counter in MTA also got the bright idea in 1972 of canceling the long standing contract LIRR had with Huntington Coach in running their Road'n'Rail service to the East End, and to "inhouse it", handing it to MSBA. When they saw MSBA had no fleet of SDM-53 buses, (except for several SDM's and PD's from the privates for charters), the damage was done, and they had to sub-contract to Schenk Tours, whose buses were much older than HCC, until MSBA could get their new SDH buses. Schenck was a partial owner of HCC. I do not see why they could not have acquired their SDM's, which were instead sold, mostly to Riverdale Transit. But HCC was also about to turn over their local transit operation to HART, and got out of the non-school business altogether. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Oct 22 09:20:38 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:45:35 2016. Okay, thanks. |
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Posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 22 09:35:48 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 13:57:34 2016. Why? Westchester seems to do OK with the Bee-Line system. What did the MTA-run MSBA buses offer that the current NICE buses don't? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 22 10:19:34 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:54:49 2016. Wouldn't the spike in oil prices drive people to the train, out of their cars, therefore making the buses unrealistic, especially on the Montauk? Not so much on the Greenport.One day I was on the bus from Montauk. There were 3 of them and around Speonk they were all full and the people were all out luck. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 22 10:27:27 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 22 09:35:48 2016. NICE maintenance is much worse, they cannot hold onto maintainers and drivers. They also cut service and routes since MSBA. They had certain buses running all summer w/o a/c.Employees who were grandfathered over to NICE quit and came over to NYCT. NICE has a very inexperienced workforce and it shows in the service provided. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 11:06:47 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 22 10:19:34 2016. We were talking about MSBA's core Nassau County operation. Fuel prices pushed them over the edge.Road'n'Rail service was provided by the LIRR. MSBA was merely a wholly compensated contractor. The service was only stated in the RR timetables, like Amtrak California Thruway buses. In 1976, the Babylon - Montauk route was dropped in favor of extending 3 Patchogue Scoots to Southampton, East Hampton, and Montauk, all of which today run to Montauk. (Scoots never ran east of Speonk until then). |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 11:08:33 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Dyre Dan on Sat Oct 22 09:35:48 2016. We are talking about the 1973-1974 era. I think MSBA may have sent some retired buses to Westchaster around then to help out as parts of their fleet were in worse shape. |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Sat Oct 22 13:51:54 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 22 10:27:27 2016. Employees who were grandfathered over to NICE quit and came over to NYCT. NICE has a very inexperienced workforce and it shows in the service provided.Not all of them left. I know a few people who are still at NICE or finished their time and retired. |
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Posted by HART BUS on Sat Oct 22 14:40:37 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Oct 20 18:09:37 2016. Absolutely not. Look at the County Charter. He must resign upon conviction and then thee deputy county executive takes over the administrative functions only, no policy decisions, until the county legislature votes somebody else in, until the original term is ended and a new CE is elected. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:34:30 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:45:35 2016. Why would MTA’s job description not include subsidizing buses outside the 5 boroughs of NYC? Don't they do the same thing with the LIRR and Metro North? |
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Posted by mac5689 on Sat Oct 22 16:44:17 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 22 10:27:27 2016. One question though is why exactly did those employees leave. Was it because of wages or working conditions or was it because of the pension.IIRC one sticking points with the union was over the pension. The employees wanted to keep the pension that they had with the MTA, but Veolia/Transdev couldn't offer it since they were a private company or they didn't want to offer it. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 17:03:42 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:34:30 2016. They own the LIRR and MN. MTA claimed there are under no obligation to subsidize suburban bus operations, and were about to cut off all subsidies to LIB had they retained control. |
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Posted by mac5689 on Sat Oct 22 19:16:03 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:54:49 2016. Schenk sold HCC and Hendrickson in 1955 to his former driver Mr. Clifford. |
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Posted by nyctransitman on Sat Oct 22 20:24:44 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by randyo on Sat Oct 22 15:34:30 2016. MTA should take it over Long Island Bus/NICE again because it could be more efficiently operated. For example on the Queens Nassau border some routes could be merged. Such as N20G with Q12 route. Q43 with N22/N22A route to Roosevelt Field. Q36 with N24 etc. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 20:36:44 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by nyctransitman on Sat Oct 22 20:24:44 2016. It is the low density routes in eastern Nassau that are the black holes.NICE has alrrady axed, or converted to some sort of flex route, the N2/8 and a few others that MTA would have killed anyway. MTA would have killed the entire N19. NICE merely killed it east of Sunrise Mall. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 20:39:45 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by nyctransitman on Sat Oct 22 20:24:44 2016. It would be interesting to merge NICE under MTABC to eliminate some management expenses. But absent more subsidy from Nassau County, it doesn't matter that much. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 22:28:22 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sat Oct 22 06:45:35 2016. Wrong. NICE shut down many lines too, just like LIB would have. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Sat Oct 22 22:47:41 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 22:28:22 2016. MTA shut down NYCT lines as well. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 23:16:43 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by northshore on Fri Oct 21 23:27:22 2016. Wrong. MTA LI Bus didn't fail. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 23:17:29 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Oct 21 23:31:41 2016. Haha |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 23:24:58 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by B53RICH on Sat Oct 22 22:47:41 2016. Good. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 08:12:05 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by B53RICH on Sat Oct 22 22:47:41 2016. MTA would have shut down far more lines than NICE has. NICE has laso brough some lines back in some form. |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 08:13:56 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by TerrApin Station on Sat Oct 22 22:28:22 2016. As usual, STUPID, you're wrong.Take a look at what would MTA would have shut down, and what is there today. Don't act like you know much of anything about Nassau County buses, because you don't. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 08:42:22 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 08:13:56 2016. Listen MORON, if the MTA got the same contract that NICE got, then they would only have to shut down a few more lines than NICE did. Don't pretend you know ANYTHING about Transportation Planning! |
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Posted by Joe V on Sun Oct 23 09:12:18 2016, in response to Re: Mangano Arrested, posted by TerrApin Station on Sun Oct 23 08:42:22 2016. I know the route map that MTA proposed.I know the route map today. There is a lot more there today. It is matter reading a map, which you are too STUPID AND LAZY to do, given you advanced level of intellectual retardation. |
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