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Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016 The Newsday website as of evening 9.6.2016 has a disturbing story of a shutdown of some coach services on Long Island, through business failure. Involved are 7Bus, Hampton Luxury Liner, and Classic Coach of Bohemia. Bill Schoolman is pictured as CEO. Fifty-three employees were told to stay home. The fleet is 27 buses. This shut-down is not new news, as earlier this year the firms filed for bankruptcy.--- This is not Hampton Jitney. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 6 19:20:51 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. How long has Classic Coach been around ?Sounds like Coram Bus Service and Harran all over again. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:32:30 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 6 19:20:51 2016. I'm sure that HartBus on BusTalk could answer the question about Classic Coach. I would say "For decades." Thirty years or so ago, we used their route service to get to an airport. In more recent years, Classic regularly picked up gamblers at a candy store in North Wantagh. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 6 19:42:05 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. What charter companies are left besides Hampton Jitney on LI ?Used to be every little school bus outfit once had 2 or 3 Fishbowl-Suburbans or Parlors for charter work. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:23:26 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. 53 employees? Hmm. The WARN Act report reported that 56 employees would be effected. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:24:21 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:32:30 2016. From what I can tell from state records I believe Classic Coach has been around since 1985. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:27:25 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 6 19:42:05 2016. I'm not sure if Horizon Coach in Bellport is still around.There is NorthFork Express, which is a related company to the school Bus firms Montauk Bus Service and East End Bus Lines. I also think Alert Coach Lines is still around. Other then those, I believe there are only small unknown companies. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:43:56 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. Something isn't adding up.According to the WARN act filed back in July buy Schoolman Transportation AKA Classic Coach, the company was going to shut down on the 26th of this month. Yet the article made it sound like they had planed on still being in operation. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Sep 6 22:02:18 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:27:25 2016. NFX is the main one, but there's a few others:His and Hers (Bellport also?) McCarney Tours (Wading River) Brownin (officed in Valley Stream but garaged in Queens) M&V Limo I believe still has buses (multiple locations on LI) I'm sure I'm forgetting some. Designer Limo (Port Washington and then Uniondale) stopped operating in Dec 2013. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 22:14:11 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Sep 6 22:02:18 2016. The only one of those I've heard of before was McCarney Tours. Not sure where they keep their buses though. The address for Wading River is a mailing address for a Residential house.A address giving for Medford is shared with Winston Airport Shuttle, and is shown either to be next door or near to East End Bus Lines. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by MorningsideHeightsM100 on Wed Sep 7 10:01:47 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Sep 6 22:02:18 2016. M & V Limo does have buses still.I used them for the limos for my wedding in December '15, and saw their buses on the property. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Sep 7 10:13:18 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:24:21 2016. Sounds about right. They also had a limo business since at least 1983. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 12:56:05 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by HART BUS on Wed Sep 7 10:13:18 2016. Schoolman used the Schoolman Transportation System name twice.Based on what you said I assume that the Original Schoolman Transportation System was what he ran the Limos under. It was started in 1982 and then in 1985 it's named changed to Schoolman Transportation Syatems of New York. It became inactice accoding to the state at the end of 2004. The Second Schoolman Transportation Syatems, which I believe is Classic Coach was created in 1985, a few months after the first Schoolman Transportation Systems was renamed. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by hound on Wed Sep 7 13:49:15 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 22:14:11 2016. McCarney Tours is located at 1786 Louis Kossuth Ave in Ronkonkoma. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by hound on Wed Sep 7 13:50:15 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Tue Sep 6 21:27:25 2016. There's also Regency in Nesconset. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Sep 7 14:06:30 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 12:56:05 2016. That would make sense. My brother-in-law was married in 1983 and had a limo from Schoolman. It was the first time my (then) seven year old had ever ridden in a limo. He was impressed that there was a TV in the car. The limo was stopped under an overpass. He asked the driver very politely if he could move up a little so that "I can see Arnold" (Gary Coleman) |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by HART BUS on Wed Sep 7 14:10:37 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by hound on Wed Sep 7 13:50:15 2016. Plus Hampton Express and Hampton Jitney. They're the only ones that have a large fleet.Wonder if they're going to take over some of the Schollman equipment, with court approval. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:05:56 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by hound on Wed Sep 7 13:49:15 2016. Thanks Hound. That is basically across the street from Alert Coach.I've been wondering where they had there buses since I saw a Google Streetview for the address Google given for Medford, which is where Winston Airport Service is, which showed that a company called Shamus Coach had buses there. (I assume Winston Airport either leases the space, or owns it but leases out the rest of the property) |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:10:20 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by HART BUS on Wed Sep 7 14:10:37 2016. Hampton Express has been out of business for along time. Unless there is another company with that name, it was a company that was owned by the Mensch family which now owns North Fork Express along with the Montauk Bus school bus empire and East End Bus Lines.Hampton Express bus yard was in Center Moriches which was taken over by Laidlaw in around 1995. Then it went to First Student when they brought Laidlaw. First Student abandoned it this year after losing two contracts to the Mensch's school bus companies. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:18:43 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Tue Sep 6 19:20:51 2016. Sounds reminiscent to what happened with Harran and also to what I heard happened with Inter-County Motor Coach when they lost the bid back back when Suffolk changed how they bidded the routes back in 2012.Not sure about Coram Bus Service. My grandfather was fired, what I believe was years before Coram Bus Service had shut down. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 7 20:25:00 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:10:20 2016. What happened to Fuocos ? |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 21:25:59 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 7 20:25:00 2016. That I don't know that either. I would assume that they lost their School Bus Contract to Laidlaw in the early 90's, around the time that the County cut the S66 in 1989/1990. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 8 09:31:44 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:05:56 2016. Oh holy crap, how could I forgot about Shamus! He's got 3 buses I believe. |
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Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 10:08:34 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. According to today( 9/8 )'s Newsday, there will be a bankruptcy auction for the buses in October. The auctioneer has guaranteed the court at least 2 million dollars in proceeds. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by hound on Thu Sep 8 11:43:48 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Wed Sep 7 19:05:56 2016. Alert Coach is no longer at that location. Their garage is on Windsor Pl. in Central Islip. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 11:46:42 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Sep 8 09:31:44 2016. The Streetview showed two with the company name and one parked behind them. Though you can't see a name to that one. That was back in 2008. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 11:51:29 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by hound on Thu Sep 8 11:43:48 2016. The old Baumman and Sons yard. I was wondering what they were using that for since a few sattalite maps showed a lack of school buses there.Ah the Union must not be up to date. They were the ones that listed them at the other address. Also McCarney was probably at the Medford Location up to at least 2008, because the Google street view for 2008 shows one of their coach buses leaving the 1 Manor Road location. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 12:06:07 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:32:30 2016. A article from yesterday's Newsday, Schoolman says that he has been in business since 1976.Heres the article Hampton Luxury Liner, 7Bus, Classic Coach to close Also in the article Schoolman says how the employees received layoff notices in June and that the layoffs would have happened on the 26th. Also he mortgaged his house 17 times to to keep the companies going. I'm surprised he was allowed to mortgage his house that many times. |
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Re: Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 12:12:16 2016, in response to Buses to be sold off, posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 10:08:34 2016. Wouldn't be surprised if North Fork Express would bid on some of those buses. |
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Re: Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 8 13:14:23 2016, in response to Re: Buses to be sold off, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 12:12:16 2016. Wouldn't be surprised if North Fork Express would bid on some of those buses.How old are the 7Buses ? Bill Newkirk |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 8 13:23:46 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 11:51:29 2016. Is the current Baummann & Sons any relation to the Camp Baummann that used to be in Oceanside ? |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 14:02:21 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 8 13:23:46 2016. Yes. Baumann and Sons can trace it's lineage from Camp Baumann Buses.If I figured it right, the Baumann's inherited the old Camp Baumann property when they took over some of Atlantic Express's contracts at the Oceanside yard. |
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Re: Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 16:59:40 2016, in response to Re: Buses to be sold off, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 8 13:14:23 2016. I don't think they are that old. The oldest might be ten years old. I think the youngest might be eight. Or at least thats from what I gathered. I'm not sure if they have brought buses recently.I only said that about North Fork Express because I once read where they had bid on the the team bus from the Newark Bears (an Independent Baseball team who played in the Atlantic League an then moved to the Can-Am league) after the team went bankrupt an folded back in 2013. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 17:13:33 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Thu Sep 8 13:23:46 2016. Two branches of the same family |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 17:15:07 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 12:06:07 2016. Without doing a deed search, you can't tell if he is truthful or is blowing smoke to try and make himself seem sympathetic. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 17:27:35 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 17:15:07 2016. I think he was trying to make himself seem sympathetic.Especially with how he was fighting for his employees jobs even though he said that they were going to get laid off in nearly two weeks any how. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Thu Sep 8 18:32:43 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 17:27:35 2016. If he could reorganize or find a buyer, they wouldn't have been let go. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 9 01:00:47 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 11:46:42 2016. I think it's 2 setra's and a van hool |
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Re: Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 9 01:08:13 2016, in response to Re: Buses to be sold off, posted by mac5689 on Thu Sep 8 16:59:40 2016. Rumor is NFX is on shaky legs too |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 05:54:09 2016, in response to Re: Buses to be sold off, posted by NIMBYkiller on Fri Sep 9 01:08:13 2016. I didn't know that. However that could explain why the operator listed on most of their coaches was a bidder, and winner, of a school bus contract last spring. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 10:47:47 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by HART BUS on Thu Sep 8 17:13:33 2016. The Baumann and Sons website doesn't make a distinction between branches.They are the ones that say that Baumann and Sons and Camp Baumann Buses are the same company. When Richard and Doris created the company to transport children to their Camp. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Sep 9 11:06:26 2016, in response to Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe on Tue Sep 6 19:14:49 2016. When I read about the games that were being played regarding financing, I felt it.Nobody is perfect. However, I think parts of this bankruptcy docket is required bus business reading. There is a financial underworld of exploitation that will asset strip you to your undies without killing you. However, what I learned from people who did the same to me is that sometimes, it is better to take the loss than to feed these people. I looked back at my 23 year old self and realized that the only reason I didn't kill those guys was because God wouldn't let me do it. |
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Re: Buses to be sold off |
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Posted by mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 11:13:19 2016, in response to Re: Buses to be sold off, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 8 13:14:23 2016. I was mistaken the youngest buses that they have that I know of is about 6 years old from 2010. Assuming they are still around the oldest would be from 2001, if they aren't then the oldest would be from 2007. Again though, thats from what I have been able to find out. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Fri Sep 9 11:47:15 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by JAzumah on Fri Sep 9 11:06:26 2016. I looked back at my 23 year old self and realized that the only reason I didn't kill those guys was because God wouldn't let me do it.So you tried to kill them but failed? That doesn't say a lot about you. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 9 19:06:42 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 10:47:47 2016. Are there still buses that say Camp Baummann ? |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Tiny Tim on Fri Sep 9 20:18:08 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 9 19:06:42 2016. Camp Baumann was bought by Atlantic Express back in 1987. Camp B was owned by Bob And Roz Baumann. Baumann and sons was owned by a different branch of the family. They had a fallen out back in the day and never had a anything to do with each other. This is first hand information as I worked there from 1984 till 1988. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 9 20:38:49 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Tiny Tim on Fri Sep 9 20:18:08 2016. They used to do my school Hewlett-Woodmere contact, though in the late 1970's that went to Veteran's in Hewlett, whose bus yard was once Brother's in the 1960's, and they moved to Lawrence. |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 21:03:22 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Tiny Tim on Fri Sep 9 20:18:08 2016. Ah, so whoever wrote up the bio for the site way lying, |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 9 21:07:43 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Mac5689 on Fri Sep 9 21:03:22 2016. Maybe the Camp Baumann side of family died and they can now say whatever they want ? |
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Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island |
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Posted by Tiny Tim on Fri Sep 9 21:32:11 2016, in response to Re: Bankruptcy of 7Bus on Long Island, posted by Joe V on Fri Sep 9 20:38:49 2016. Veteran's yard is in Valley Stream. Independent Coach is in Hewlett and Lawrence. Independent got the contract for Hewlett after Camp lost it. |
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