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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 11 17:47:04 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. Thanks for posting! Wow! These are horrible. See the arrow in the last scan!What did the companies expect people to do without the timetable for regular bus routes? |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by Q23 on Mon Jan 11 21:07:53 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. Wow, very interesting to see such a headway for the QM1/QM5 middays. Right now, only the QM5 serves all of Fresh Meadows, on 30-60 minute headways, when before each had 20 minute headways during middays (10 minute combined)Nice, can't wait to see the rest. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue Jan 12 06:21:40 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by Q23 on Mon Jan 11 21:07:53 2016. Wow, one part was typed and probably mimeographed? |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by R30A on Tue Jan 12 10:33:53 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 11 17:47:04 2016. That was how things often were back then. |
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Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 18:37:34 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. Less than eight years after printing the poor quality information that we previously saw, in November 1983 Steinway Transit got professional and provided a map showing stops (really a diagram - geography is only suggested), timetables and fare information in one handy folder.   |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by mike nash on Tue Jan 12 19:12:38 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 18:37:34 2016. where's the weekend service. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 12 19:13:11 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. Now they run nearly empty buses much later into the evening and on Saturdays and Sundays on most of the routes. Morning runs in and afternoons out get decent utilization, but watching empty buses go in and out of the city in the late hours or on Sundays is sad. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 19:19:50 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 18:37:34 2016. did Steinway transit name their routes? Do you have anything about the QM4 via Jewel? |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 19:36:27 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 19:19:50 2016. "did Steinway transit name their routes?"They were named before the buses carried the QM numbers. Interestingly, Fresh Meadow, rather than Fresh Meadows, often (not always) appeared on the buses and the timetables for many years. "Do you have anything about the QM4 via Jewel?" Yes, Queens Transit printed a similar folder and I'll scan and post that soon enough. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 19:54:18 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 19:19:50 2016. Here's a 5/1/80 Jewel Avenue TT that I forgot I had. Enjoy.
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 20:03:52 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 19:36:27 2016. Thanks! You have an amazing collection that would be hard to replicate unless you lived in New York at the time! |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 20:04:59 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 19:54:18 2016. Thank you! |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 12 20:22:57 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Tue Jan 12 19:36:27 2016. Queens and Steinway were sister companies. Growing up, we used to call them "the orange buses" |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Jan 12 20:29:08 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by mike nash on Tue Jan 12 19:12:38 2016. In those days, I don't think there was any. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 13 09:04:58 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by Union Tpke on Mon Jan 11 17:47:04 2016. Well I agree these are poorly printed but honestly I'd say there's enough information there to know the schedule and be able to reasonably predict when your bus was supposed to get to your stop. Even now with extra time points I'm still inclined to get to an express bus stop at or around the time it leaves its origin just to be on the safe side. Often the express bus is very early or very late too. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 13 09:07:07 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. There's a fare disparity between the first and second pages. I wonder what that's about?Also, more a nitpick but still something to note: for the U.T. bus stop list: 247th St is NOT between 260th St and Little Neck Parkway. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 13 13:30:26 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by mike nash on Tue Jan 12 19:12:38 2016. I thought the weekend service came along later when QT/ST had merged into QSC??? |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 13 13:34:12 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Union Tpke on Tue Jan 12 19:19:50 2016. The destination signs read "EXPRESS" on the route portion of the sign along with the destination. So, you'd see "EXPRESS FRESH MEADOWS", "EXPRESS 6TH AVENUE" etc |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 13 14:30:11 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 13 13:34:12 2016. There's a nice charm to that. Someone I know who has lived in Park Slope for decades refers to "the Fifth" and "the Seventh" when referencing the B63 and B67 respectively.And I do sort of miss the "Manhattan - All Stops" sign on some of the private bus lines when it really didn't matter to anyone what their point of origin was. Meanwhile QSC liked to announce its origin for some reason on the destination sign "GLEN OAKS TO. . .6 AV" |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 13 16:45:36 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed Jan 13 14:30:11 2016. I agree. It was a nice touch. It was an express, and you had the destination there. Back in the destination curtain era, I didn't like the TCC express readings where they'd have the word "EXPRESS" followed by the route number and destination. I always thought it made for an overcrowded sign reading. |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:19:28 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jan 13 13:30:26 2016. "I thought the weekend service came along later when QT/ST had merged into QSC???"Not sure of the date of this flyer but the Queens/Steinway Transit merger was effective on July 1, 1986, according to Motor Coach Age.  |
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Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. Here's the Queens Transit version of the four-color folder.   |
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QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 13 20:58:57 2016, in response to Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016. Even back then, the QM3 had drop-off stops that didn't correspond with pick-up stops. Also, look at how much service it had. Now it's only 3 trips each way. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by MR RT on Thu Jan 14 11:14:18 2016, in response to Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016. Almost at the time I was there ... |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 13:07:20 2016, in response to QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 13 20:58:57 2016. I guess one-directional stops have always been deemed useful. There's little reason not to have them if the bus is going to go by there anyway. And if it's served by a local bus then you are not eliminating parking.If I was the 5-day a week round trip rush hour rider though I don't think I would regularly use the express bus without an express bus unlimited and I don't think I'd get an express bus unlimited if my stop was only served in one direction. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Jan 14 13:21:06 2016, in response to QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Wed Jan 13 20:58:57 2016. The QM3 took the L.I.E. inbound to the QM Tunnel and return via 59 St Bridge then Northern Blvd. That's why it's only a drop off along Northern. The QM3 tried to compete with the LIRR Port Wahington Branch, but most passengers preferred the train. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 14 14:07:13 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 13:07:20 2016. A good example would on the QM4 be where Jewel Ave and 69th in Forest Hills take traffic in and outbound. Since they are one way, from Queens Blvd until the merge at Park Drive East back into Jewel the stops must be different. or inbound at 164t and Jewel the bus turns and stops on Jewel, coming home it makes the left and stops on 164th. They look different on a schedule, but they make sense. The express bus fares were much more competitive in the era of the 2 fare zone. Now its more than double the regular fare because the transfer bus to subway isn't charged, and the Express bus fare was decoupled. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 14:14:10 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by pragmatist on Thu Jan 14 14:07:13 2016. But at least there's an equivalent stop each way, like on Horace Harding when the stops are on different sides of the expressway.On the QM3, there is no inbound equivalent for 72nd St et. al. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 14:16:44 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by northshore on Thu Jan 14 13:21:06 2016. The BxM3 starts at Yonkers / Getty Square. Does anyone know if it competes with Amtrak / Metro North? (A side question is why the BxM3 gets to service Westchester. I must say it is quite odd to see out of service MTA buses regularly on Yonkers Ave). Too bad the QM3 couldn't go into Nassau a bit. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Jan 14 14:44:04 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 14:16:44 2016. The Yonkers Depot is a few blocks over, by the Hudson River. (See here: https://goo.gl/mzxxt2 )It gets very little ridership north of the Westchester border. Most people along Broadway are taking the Bee Line buses over to the (1) or (4) trains (conveniently, the 1/2/3 go to the (1) train, and the 4 goes to the (4) train) |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 14 15:34:36 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Jan 14 14:16:44 2016. The BxM 3 serves Westchester only because, when Liberty Lines set up that route, LL was based in Yonkers and their depot was there. MTA inherited that route. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Jan 14 16:14:08 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by italianstallion on Thu Jan 14 15:34:36 2016. It minimizes deadhead miles. Picking up 2-3 fares makes it worthwhile. |
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Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Thu Jan 14 17:24:25 2016, in response to Re: QM3 (Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983), posted by northshore on Thu Jan 14 13:21:06 2016. ,b>[The QM3 tried to compete with the LIRR Port Washington Branch, but most passengers preferred the train.] A Wall Street variant might have helped it compete better. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Fri Jan 15 19:43:39 2016, in response to Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016. Where is the QM-2 timetable information. I do not see it. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Fri Jan 15 23:58:30 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Allen45 on Fri Jan 15 19:43:39 2016. The QM2 is the Clearview-Linden-Mitchell Express. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 01:01:23 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Fri Jan 15 23:58:30 2016. The QM-2 is the Bayside-Whitestone express which is missing while the QM-2a is the Clearview Linden Mitchell express. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Jan 16 10:33:54 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Allen45 on Fri Jan 15 19:43:39 2016. The QM-2 was Queens Transit's most popular express route. It probably took up a whole page on the reverse. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 11:32:03 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by northshore on Sat Jan 16 10:33:54 2016. I want to know what that looked like. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jan 16 13:39:53 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 01:01:23 2016. Oops and right you are. Here it is.
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 13:41:22 2016, in response to Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Jan 16 13:39:53 2016. Thank you so much. |
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Re: Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983 |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Jan 16 19:36:03 2016, in response to Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016. I never knew there was a stop at Van Wyck Expy & 82nd Street! |
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Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976 |
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Posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 20:49:35 2016, in response to Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 11 17:36:37 2016. I am also curious about the other private company timetables too. I wonder how the Cooper companies and others did their timetables. |
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Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976) |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jan 17 19:26:05 2016, in response to Re: Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976, posted by Allen45 on Sat Jan 16 20:49:35 2016. The oldest express schedule that I have for other Queens privates is from 1989 covering Triboro Coach routes QM-10, 11 and 12. 
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Re: Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976) |
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Posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jan 17 20:32:39 2016, in response to Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976), posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jan 17 19:26:05 2016. Thank you so much for posting! |
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Re: Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976) |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jan 17 22:15:42 2016, in response to Re: Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976), posted by Union Tpke on Sun Jan 17 20:32:39 2016. You're welcome - there's still more to come. |
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Re: Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976) |
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Posted by Allen45 on Mon Jan 18 06:29:49 2016, in response to Triboro 1989 (was Steinway Transit Express TTs - 1976), posted by X-Astorian on Sun Jan 17 19:26:05 2016. Nice! Thank you so much for posting. |
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Queens Surface Corp. express routes - 1990 |
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Posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 18 17:26:04 2016, in response to Queens Transit Express TTs - 1983, posted by X-Astorian on Wed Jan 13 18:21:55 2016. From 1983 we’ll roll past the 1986 merger of Queens/Steinway Transit, the 1988 sale to Linden Bus which quickly became Queens Surface Corp., which soon got permission to drop the QM-3 and Wall Street runs that Caravan Bus picked up and later returned in early 1990.The c. 1990 map below is a combination of the earlier Steinway and Queens Transit ones and still omits route numbers while the separate September 1990 timetable includes them.       |
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Re: Queens Surface Corp. express routes - 1990 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Jan 19 09:12:33 2016, in response to Queens Surface Corp. express routes - 1990, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 18 17:26:04 2016. How long did the Wall St runs just go to/from 188th / Chevy Chase? When I first started following QSC routes in the 2000s I'm pretty sure most or all Downtown runs had an outer destination (beyond 188th). I know you would be given a transfer of some kind as you exited at Chevy Chase to keep going on another route. |
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Re: Queens Surface Corp. express routes - 1990 |
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Posted by GojiMet86 on Wed Jan 20 14:41:37 2016, in response to Queens Surface Corp. express routes - 1990, posted by X-Astorian on Mon Jan 18 17:26:04 2016. Was it a Saint Patrick's Day special?Also, does anyone have photos of Caravan doing their QM routes? |
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