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Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 5 09:39:30 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 08:51:57 2015. You don't speed up bus service by lowering the speed limit by 5 or 10 mph. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 5 11:02:02 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 14:16:09 2015. "Improve reliability" and "modernize outdates routes" aren't steps; they are themselves goals. What steps would you take to achieve these goals? |
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Posted by fdtutf on Tue May 5 11:05:33 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 5 08:54:40 2015. The LACMTA shows its Orange and Silver lines on the subway/rail map as well. |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 5 12:04:35 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 4 23:43:20 2015. Except we have seen neither. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 5 12:43:44 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 5 09:37:47 2015. How do I know what? No matter how many people take dollar vans, there are far more people taking buses! You couldn't convert all bus routes to dollar van routes because there's not enough road capacity. So buses serve a purpose. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 12:52:06 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Tue May 5 11:05:33 2015. I think certain bus routes should show up on the subway map anyway, even if they are not SBS, and besides the airport routes. There are certain key bus routes that might not be known to the infrequent traveler who does not ordinarily look at bus maps but that could very well shorten a trip, and they tend to be in spots where there is plenty of space on the map.For example, a dotted line showing the Q35 route (which runs all night every half hour) from Rockaway Park to Flatbush Ave (2/5) could show a non-regular visitor to the Rockaways a faster way home, and take away the idea that the only option is the A train. Obviously I don't like the idea of cluttering the map, but depicting the Q35 line would do little if anything to reduce the clarity of the map. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 12:59:43 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 5 12:43:44 2015. Do you expect that the bus vs. dollar van thing will eventually work itself out naturally in favor of buses? Eventually a road runs out of space, and dollar vans take up more space per capita than buses, and buses offer free transfer to other buses and the subway. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue May 5 18:04:08 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 12:59:43 2015. I'm not familiar enough with dollar vans to have an opinion at this time. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:29:43 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Tue May 5 12:04:35 2015. https://www.streetsblog.org/2015/04/23/as-subway-hits-new-records-mta-bus-ridership-continues-to-fall/ |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:30:13 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:24:56 2015. All buses? No, NYC Buses. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:31:44 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Tue May 5 12:43:44 2015. That is not the point.... |
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Posted by R30A on Tue May 5 18:44:27 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:29:43 2015. Yes, bus ridership as a whole has gone down, but not specifically on SBS lines (many of which have improved), so such is irrelevant. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue May 5 20:46:45 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:30:13 2015. NYC buses are so different from all the rest of the buses? I think not. But I'll play your game. Even assuming we're just talking about NYC buses, my point stands. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue May 5 20:47:07 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 18:31:44 2015. Yes it is. Why wouldn't it be? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 23:46:53 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue May 5 20:46:45 2015. Yes because NYC traffic sucks and so does its out of sync traffic signals |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 6 08:20:36 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Tue May 5 23:46:53 2015. So does the traffic worldwide and so do many traffic signals worldwide. And just because the signals appear to be out of the sync doesn't mean they actually are out of sync or that they aren't that way for a reason. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 09:58:03 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 6 08:20:36 2015. Yes they are out of sync for a reason. So you should have to stop every other block. There is no good reason when you look down the road and see one green, one red, one green, one red. That is intentional to cause congestion and make cars travel slowly. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 6 11:58:47 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 09:58:03 2015. Yes they are out of sync for a reason. So you should have to stop every other block. There is no good reason when you look down the road and see one green, one red, one green, one red. That is intentional to cause congestion and make cars travel slowly.Proff? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 6 12:15:17 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 09:58:03 2015. I see this on some secondary and tertiary roads (Beverley Road comes to mind as often literally green, red, green, red, sometimes so that you stop practically every block), but usually a major thoroughfare, especially SBS routes, will have the lights more or less lined up, and often lined up in succession. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 6 12:58:44 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 6 12:15:17 2015. Exactly. Beverl(e)y Road is not meant to get you anywhere fast or handle high volumes of traffic, IIRC (I'll check a map). |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 14:43:45 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed May 6 11:58:47 2015. Dude really? You need "Proff" clearly you don't drive. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 14:45:30 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed May 6 12:58:44 2015. So you're justifying their purposely having traffic signals out of sync, while at the same time saying they want to reduce congestion and ozone, while simultaneously having "no idling" laws? |
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Posted by R30A on Wed May 6 14:52:55 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 14:45:30 2015. Perhaps Beverl(e)y is perpendicular to the sync? |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 6 14:58:08 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Wed May 6 14:52:55 2015. Most likely. The north-south streets that Beverley crosses are more important to any sync phase. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed May 6 14:59:04 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 6 14:58:08 2015. That is my suspicion too, however I have no knowledge of the actual signal programming there. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 15:12:53 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Wed May 6 14:59:04 2015. This isn't limited to Beverly Rd however, that was just one example. Another one off the top of my head is Springfield Blvd. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 15:20:36 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 5 09:39:30 2015. Oh really do you have "proff"? Do you have the NYCDOT and MTA sponsored studies on that? LOL, they're so comical. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:10:12 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 15:48:25 2015. Exactly. They see what they want to see so they often misread and misinterpret, then accuse me of saying things I never stated, then criticizing me for it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:13:21 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:36:30 2015. Name one who is a planner. You are just making up one lie after another.Again you can say nothing specific about an issue or argue intelligently. All you can do is defame and degrade. You want me to play the same game? I will. Why were you fired from your mailroom job? Why did your wife leave you? How do you like them apples? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:14:10 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Sun May 3 22:10:52 2015. I am honest. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:17:05 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 12:52:06 2015. Agreed. The MTA didn't want to plug it when they didn't operate it, but that is different now. The MTA is just very slow to adapt. Trolleys were abolished in 1956, but it took until the mid-80s for them to change the name of the Department from Surface to Buses. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:18:57 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Tue May 5 18:44:27 2015. No. Except for the Bronx routes SBS ridership has gone down or has little changed. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:22:35 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Tue May 5 20:47:07 2015. Comverting Dollar Vans to Buses is irrelevant because no one has proposed that and you admit to knowing too little about the subject to form an opinion anyway about dollar vans.The point is that when buses are inconvenient, bus riders will switch to dollar vans, a totally different thought. There also is historical evidence to support that. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed May 6 16:29:28 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:18:57 2015. And the Staten Island route went up too and has stayed up.And the Manhattan routes went up after being converted to SBS too. So your statement is simply wrong. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:30:14 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed May 6 14:58:08 2015. On Beverley Road out of sync signals may be unavoidable due to the priority for north south Avenues.That doesn't explain why signals on Ave R, S or T between Coney Island Avenue and Ocean Avenue have that problem with green, red, green, red, etc. All the streets they cross are numbered streets where the east west avenues have priority. You should only have to stop at Coney Island and/or Ocean Avenue. Not at Coney Island Avenue, E13, E15, E17 and E19. I remember it taking me 20 minutes to drive from Ocean Avenue to Ocean Parkway(3/4 of a mile)because of those damn lights. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:32:57 2015, in response to Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015. Isn't it interesting that not one single post addressed the question posed by the reporter in the subject. Most posters were just interested in attacking me and are not in an intelligent discussion, |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 6 16:55:08 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:30:14 2015. If north-south is the priority, then all east-west streets, including Bev. (Haha!) Rd and the lettered avenues, should be about equally out of sync, no? At least between their common streets (Ocean Pkwy to Ocean Ave for instance). |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 6 17:18:38 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:14:10 2015. You said you "just repeated" something, as if you were a parrot, when the truth was that you repeated it because you agreed with it. That's not honest. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 17:21:33 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:32:57 2015. Almost every time. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Wed May 6 17:22:45 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:32:57 2015. That's because it's a stupid question.Are Select Bus Routes the solution to traffic and crowded commutes? There's no one solution to traffic [congestion] and crowded commutes, so it's a stupid question. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 7 07:48:38 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Wed May 6 14:59:04 2015. EXACTLY!!! |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 7 07:50:31 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 14:45:30 2015. No. The other comments have since explained my position. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Thu May 7 07:50:48 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Wed May 6 16:55:08 2015. Not necessarily. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:18:46 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 14:43:45 2015. LOL! I drive plenty! I also likely know way more about traffic signals than either of you! My "proff" request was OBVIOUSLY in reference to "There is no good reason when you look down the road and see one green, one red, one green, one red. That is intentional to cause congestion and make cars travel slowly."I mean seriously! Think before posting! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:28:34 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed May 6 15:20:36 2015. crickets |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:30:40 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:10:12 2015. They see what they want to seeNope, we see what you write and we respond to it. they often misread and misinterpretWe do neither. then accuse me of saying things I never statedWe don't so that either. then criticizing me for it.We criticize what you write. And then when you stubbornly refuse to listen to facts, logic, and reasoning, we criticize you. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:40:44 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:13:21 2015. Name one who is a planner. You are just making up one lie after another.LOL! I don't know if they want such information revealed. But maybe they'd agree to it if you and I made a bet. Since you are here right now accusing me of lying, surely you will agree to a bet. I'll bet you that there is at least one planner here. If I'm right, you'll have to leave BusChat for two years. If I'm wrong, I'll leave BusChat for two years. Deal? Again you can say nothing specific about an issue or argue intelligently.I've been saying specific stuff and arguing intelligently for YEARS! You don't listen! You want me to play the same game?What game? I will.This should be good... Why were you fired from your mailroom job?Oh come on, why did you have to being that up? I'm so embarrased. SelkirkTMO ruined my life when he posted that information to SubChat. Why did your wife leave you?FUCK YOU! Now I'm crying!!!! You big meanie head!!! I just wanna rub salt in your open wounds and put tacks on you seat! Bwaaa aaaaaa :( :( :( How do you like them apples?An intense sweet tangy flavor. Distinctive for snacking, salads and fruit trays. Tend to retain their lively flavor and hold up well during cooking. |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:41:05 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Wed May 6 17:18:38 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:42:05 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Wed May 6 16:29:28 2015. OWNED! A bus planner who can't even read the ridership stats correctly...! Unbelievable! |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 08:43:01 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed May 6 16:22:35 2015. Nope. The point is that if certain buses were so inconvenient, then almost everyone would abandon them for dollar vans. |
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