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Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015 WPIX Report |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Apr 29 08:56:17 2015, in response to Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015. Did you break your wookie? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 29 10:05:11 2015, in response to Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015. The entire bus system can be part of the solution, but not until the MTA can implement a 'smart card' system to replace the MetroCard. The need to put machines at SBS stops is expensive and results in a cumbersome process. Once the new system is in place, distribute cards and make them readily available to all riders. Work with area merchants to give riders plenty of outlets to refill cards. Then, install card readers at all doors on every MTA bus to allow riders to tap the reader upon boarding to register their payment (enforcement personnel could have readers that can scan cards to confirm payment). |
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Posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 29 10:09:41 2015, in response to Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015. Usual superficial TV report. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 29 11:54:56 2015, in response to Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 08:50:14 2015. Of course you're the only voice of reason. It's like "DUH! No they won't take the bus because they have to transfer like 5 times to get anywhere!"And the buses aren't timed to make connections, and they're stationary 50% of the time. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 29 12:01:44 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 29 10:05:11 2015. This would be great, The Oyster card is so useful. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 20:21:59 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Wed Apr 29 11:54:56 2015. Well then that's even more of a reason not to use the bus. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 20:23:19 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by italianstallion on Wed Apr 29 10:09:41 2015. I am not a big fan of TV news either. But at least he didn't just repeat the DOT and MTA propaganda which every other TV reporter did. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 29 22:50:25 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Apr 29 20:21:59 2015. Why do you hate the bus? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 07:40:59 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Apr 29 22:50:25 2015. I was just repeating what the other poster stated. |
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Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes? |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 30 08:16:01 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 07:40:59 2015. Do you think that's wise? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 11:26:20 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Apr 30 08:16:01 2015. Yes because it was the truth. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Thu Apr 30 12:24:37 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 11:26:20 2015. Then you weren't just repeating it; you were repeating it because you agreed with it. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 22:53:16 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Thu Apr 30 12:24:37 2015. So you are saying the buses are timed to make connections and that they are not stationary 50% of the time? |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri May 1 00:33:22 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Thu Apr 30 12:24:37 2015. IAWTP |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri May 1 00:34:49 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 11:26:20 2015. Are you sure? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 1 02:19:51 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 22:53:16 2015. I don't understand how you have the patience. It seams that many disagree with you just for the sake of doing so. |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 1 07:32:07 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 1 02:19:51 2015. No, you must be misunderstanding what is going on. We disagree because he is wrong, almost all the time. I do share your bewilderment as to why he bothers to continue posting here when almost everyone disagrees with him. |
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Posted by MR RT on Fri May 1 11:58:32 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by RailBus63 on Wed Apr 29 10:05:11 2015. But, the MTA keeps putting off the conversion of the MC to a Smart Card, because they have more important stuff to spend the money on ... at least that is what they say about it. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri May 1 12:24:32 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Fri May 1 02:19:51 2015. LOL - welcome to the club. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Fri May 1 14:29:25 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 30 22:53:16 2015. So you are saying the buses are timed to make connections and that they are not stationary 50% of the time?Where did I say that? I'm just trying to keep you honest, and heaven knows it's a full-time job. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 1 14:35:22 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Fri May 1 14:29:25 2015. Okay so let's recap. You criticized e for saying I agreed with something after you objected to my comment that I was just repeating what the other poster said. The implication was that I was agreeing to something that was inaccurate. So when I asked you why you disagreed, your response was that you didn't disagree which means you are agreeing with me and therefore have no argument. And you state you are trying to keep me honest implying that I am not.So please explain your position, and why you made an about face. Also stop accusing people without justification. Apparently you are the one who is not honest since you have now gone around 360 degrees in your position. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 1 14:36:03 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Fri May 1 00:34:49 2015. Yes. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 12:23:00 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri May 1 07:32:07 2015. But I agree with his ideas, most of them make sense and are pretty logical. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 12:27:35 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri May 1 12:24:32 2015. I don't disagree with him, his ideas make sense. I'm just wondering how he has the patients to deal with people who shoot down all his ideas for no reason. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 13:21:38 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 12:27:35 2015. It isn't easy. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 15:48:25 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat May 2 13:21:38 2015. I see, it's like they don't even read the article or idea. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 00:48:23 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 1 14:36:03 2015. I'm not so sure. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:34:47 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 12:23:00 2015. I disagree. I disagree with most of his ideas because they do NOT make sense and are NOT logical! |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 08:36:30 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Sat May 2 12:27:35 2015. Like I told you, people do not shoot down his ideas for no reason. They shoot down his ideas because they do not make sense, are not logical, and are just plain wrong. Are you a transportation planner? Because BrooklynBus is not. But several of the people who are shooting down his ideas ARE. So they obviously know much more than him and others in this area. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:46:07 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun May 3 00:48:23 2015. You have to have the last word. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun May 3 22:10:52 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri May 1 14:35:22 2015. I don't have a position. I'm just trying to keep you honest. You said you "just repeated" something, as if you were a parrot, when the truth was that you repeated it because you agreed with it. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Sun May 3 22:14:20 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:46:07 2015. *crickets* |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 4 08:31:11 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Sun May 3 22:14:20 2015. :) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 4 08:36:32 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Sun May 3 09:46:07 2015. No, I'm just trying to get you to really take an honest look at yourself. You agreed with "And the buses aren't timed to make connections, and they're stationary 50% of the time." and claimed it was a reason why people don't want to take the bus. But you're wrong, as usual. Many buses run frequently enough that they don't need to be timed to make connections. And so what if buses are stationary 50% of the time? If that is even true, then so what? Would that be any different for streetcars? Buses are a mass transit options used by millions of people around the world. If all buses, on average, are really stopped for 50% of the time, then that certainly isn't stopping many people from using them! So as I have just shown, you are completely wrong about two points that you were sure you were correct about. My work here is done. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:32:03 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 4 08:36:32 2015. Buses do not run frequently when they run every hour after midnight. Of course buses cannot be timed to make all connections, but they could be scheduled to make a major connection point or example the B46 at Eastern Parkway southbound. They could operate to meet every or every other subway train.Buses being stationary 50% of the time, when that is true, as well as indirect routing is what akes sone bus trips take three or four times what an automobile trip woud take. I would say that a goal would be for bus trips oake no longer than twice what the trip would take by car. |
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Posted by fdtutf on Mon May 4 14:01:21 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:32:03 2015. I would say that a goal would be for bus trips oake no longer than twice what the trip would take by car.What ways of achieving that goal would you suggest? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 14:16:09 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by fdtutf on Mon May 4 14:01:21 2015. Improve reliability and modernize outdated routes. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon May 4 15:32:36 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 14:16:09 2015. Do you mean bus running times over the same streets as a car or overall passenger trip times from door to door?It would be almost impossible, for example, to have a bus passenger go door to door in under 200% of the amount of time as he/she would in their private vehicle if there was a highway with a 50+ MPH speed limit adjacent to the bus route. But when the bus and car share the same roadway, it could be possible to get it at least somewhat close to 200%, IF you slow down the cars for the sake of the buses, hence bus lanes and other SBS-related features. But if you take something like Woodhaven Blvd in the morning rush hour peak direction, it is often possible, barring excess congestion and incidents, to travel in a car non-stop from Howard Beach and points south straight up to Rego Park and points north, with the traveling lights. A bus would probably miss a light cycle every time it stopped, or at least every two times, thus making it practically impossible to traverse that distance in even double the time. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 19:29:04 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon May 4 15:32:36 2015. I am talking door to door. And who is to say buses shouldn't be able to use highways? Just because only express routes to Manhattan use highways, why can't we have express buses between major centers where people need to travel? Look how successful the Chinatown buses are. They are successful because they fill a need and are not overpriced. After the Belt Parkway bridges are rebuilt, we could have bus routes there that are a hybrid between local and express. And the buses could be allowed to use the shoulder as a bus lane where the road is wide enough. Elsewhere they could operate on the service roads.The problem is the MTA as no desire to improve bus service. Their goal is to operate as little bus service as is politically expedient and will find every reason possible to dismiss any ideas from the public. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 19:35:43 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon May 4 15:32:36 2015. As far as Woodhavens concerned, you are talking theoretics because in the morning there is congestion so you can't travel non-stop with the lights. In nine years of driving I only made it three times from the Belt to Queens Blvd with all the lights and that was in the shoulder periods, not in the peak. A good day was three traffic lights.Buses are actually quite fast on Woodhaven during the off-peak. Some times I have to chase a bus for a half mile in my car before I can overtake it. I really don't think it takes more than five minutes more by bus than by car without traffic. I think Woodhaven has soe of the fastest off-peak bus speeds in the city. That's why I don't see the need for exclusive lanes. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 4 21:08:50 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon May 4 08:36:32 2015. So what if the bus is stationary 50% of the time? No one likes slow poke buses... This is one of the reasons why people use dollar vans and cabs |
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Posted by R30A on Mon May 4 21:17:28 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 4 21:08:50 2015. Well, if they are stationary 50% of the time, than SBS is the most logical solution to implement, reducing congestion by giving the buses their own lanes, and reducing stop dwell times through off board fare collection, among other improvements! |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:24:00 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Mon May 4 21:17:28 2015. Good post. |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:24:56 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 4 21:08:50 2015. So what if the bus is stationary 50% of the time? No one likes slow poke buses... This is one of the reasons why people use dollar vans and cabsBuses are a mass transit option used by millions of people around the world. If all buses, on average, are really stopped for 50% of the time, then that certainly isn't stopping many people from using them! |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:28:04 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 12:32:03 2015. Buses do not run frequently when they run every hour after midnight. Of course buses cannot be timed to make all connections, but they could be scheduled to make a major connection point or example the B46 at Eastern Parkway southbound. They could operate to meet every or every other subway train.What if buses stop at multiple subway stations along the route? And might there be other reasons for a bus schedule that doesn't meet the trains? Buses being stationary 50% of the time, when that is true, as well as indirect routing is what akes sone bus trips take three or four times what an automobile trip woud take. I would say that a goal would be for bus trips oake no longer than twice what the trip would take by car.That's a ridiculous goal. How in the world could you have ever once been a transportation planner???? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Mon May 4 23:43:20 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by R30A on Mon May 4 21:17:28 2015. We have seen that SBS barely saves time and ridership goes down.. Except for the BX 12 |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 08:51:57 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon May 4 19:35:43 2015. Not disagreeing, but "they" like Woodhaven for SBS features perhaps because they see how fast service already is and they want to bring it to near subway speed, which is what BRT originally advertised itself as, a subway above ground.Ideally, if SBS was shown to be more like a train than a local bus, they could start including SBS lines on the subway maps, to show extra options for connections between subway lines around the city. In Paris, for example, the trams that operate at street level and with automobile traffic are often shown on the same map as the Metro (subway) lines (though the regular buses aren't). Paris likely views its trams as more like train-supplements than as glorified buses. That's probably what SBS should be viewed as, if it can show itself worthy of that. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue May 5 08:54:40 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue May 5 08:51:57 2015. Ideally, if SBS was shown to be more like a train than a local bus, they could start including SBS lines on the subway maps, to show extra options for connections between subway lines around the city.In Paris, for example, the trams that operate at street level and with automobile traffic are often shown on the same map as the Metro (subway) lines (though the regular buses aren't). Paris likely views its trams as more like train-supplements than as glorified buses. That's probably what SBS should be viewed as, if it can show itself worthy of that. The MBTA Silver Line is shown on the subway map. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue May 5 09:37:47 2015, in response to Re: Are Select Bus Routes the Solution to Traffic and Crowded Commutes?, posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Mon May 4 21:24:56 2015. How do you know? Do you have any statistics on dollar van usage? The B41 used to be the number 1 Brooklyn route before the dollar vans started giving them competition. |
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