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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by R32_3672 on Fri Mar 20 23:55:52 2015, in response to MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 20 22:52:51 2015. well that will mark their ends sooner than later |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sat Mar 21 06:17:55 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by R32_3672 on Fri Mar 20 23:55:52 2015. Dammit!!!Watch they keep a handful of them anyway. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by gold_12th on Sun Mar 22 13:16:59 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by R32_3672 on Fri Mar 20 23:55:52 2015. Probably the end of winter 2016. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 22 19:32:05 2015, in response to MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Gold_12th on Fri Mar 20 22:52:51 2015. Well...this is no real surprise.New Flyer Is the darling of the MTA right now...bet you dollars to doughnuts, they win the Option order for 700 more XD40...and XN40 CNG. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by Futurekbarticop on Sun Mar 22 20:30:04 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 22 19:32:05 2015. They build a much better product then NovaBus. The LFS a is an Airport Shuttle not a heavy duty transit bus. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Mar 22 20:36:00 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 22 19:32:05 2015. Nova seems to be having issues getting units out on time. Part of the rationale of the split order was getting units on a more timely basis than a single vendor order. I'm not sure about the "darling" designation though, MTA has bought over 1200 buses from Nova/Prevost in that last few years and the upstate folks who generally don't like us that much, really like it when we spend money that stays in NY. For better or worse, Nova/Prevost have a significantly higher NY content/value because the assembly labor is all here. The BTE Prevosts paved the way for the purchase of 300, and those are built in NY. I really do like the NF's, but I'm in CP/MTABC territory and that means C40-LF around here (except the Q64 which moved to BP and gets OG Hybrids) . |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Sun Mar 22 20:39:28 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Futurekbarticop on Sun Mar 22 20:30:04 2015. Then why are there many LFSs being used in heavy duty transit service? |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 22 20:43:17 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 22 19:32:05 2015. New Flyer could deliver the 72 buses when needed. Nova could not. Nova didn't even put in a bid despite being approached to do so |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Mar 22 21:00:54 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Futurekbarticop on Sun Mar 22 20:30:04 2015. I like New Flyer, but I'm not going to run down the LFS. Thousands are in service, and it passed BTE and Altoona for the MTA. The options selected like engine, tranny, hvac, and interior make a big difference in the final product results, and that is often out of the hands of the vendor. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 23 14:41:31 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by mtk52983 on Sun Mar 22 20:43:17 2015. I'm not a fan of Nova,especially after an incident on the Central Avenue 55 into Albany a few years back.So far,none of the MTA models have done anything close to doing a full tailspin in the middle of the street during bad weather...which I am greatful for,mind you. Still,that is a credit to the manufacturer, the improvements overall. The only Novas I deal with from time to time are the SBS Lfsa...which I like. How ever..Nova has a crazy backlog to work through, its a small wonder that they could even get another MTA bid. Looking forward to the XD60... |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 23 18:29:58 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Edwards! on Mon Mar 23 14:41:31 2015. Wouldn't a spin have more to do with the tires and the driver than the specific model of bus?? |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TheHat on Mon Mar 23 23:02:42 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 23 18:29:58 2015. NO! MCI as an example, how about an pusher artic? |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 24 00:58:31 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by Edwards! on Sun Mar 22 19:32:05 2015. It might also help that New Flyer has 3 final assembly plants (2 in Minnesota in Crookston and St. Cloud, plus Anniston, Alabama), while Nova Bus only has its Plattsburgh plant and is currently building orders for CTA and SEPTA.The issue for Nova Bus might be to identify a second plant location to clear the backlog, as Nova Bus has a backlog of more than a year. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by merrick1 on Tue Mar 24 07:12:47 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by AMoreira81 on Tue Mar 24 00:58:31 2015. Doesn't Nova have a plant in Quebec? |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Mar 24 07:43:35 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TheHat on Mon Mar 23 23:02:42 2015. Not talking about the type of bus, only the model, assuming same type of bus. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Mar 24 07:43:42 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TheHat on Mon Mar 23 23:02:42 2015. Not talking about the type of bus, only the model, assuming same type of bus. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by pragmatist on Tue Mar 24 08:21:46 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by merrick1 on Tue Mar 24 07:12:47 2015. Yes, but not "Buy America" compliant. Like New Flyer in Winnipeg. Many contracts can not be filled with that production. That was part of the rationale for building Plattsburgh in the first place. And adding the Prevost section was a big factor in getting the order for 300 from MTA. If you look at the MTA doc previously posted, the #2 factor in evaluation for MTA is NY content. |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TheHat on Tue Mar 24 20:05:11 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Mar 23 18:29:58 2015. Still, NO. Engine & trans, ABS or no ABS. Throttle delay or no throttle delay. Transmission software generation, progressive shift... |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:55:40 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TheHat on Tue Mar 24 20:05:11 2015. Engine & transHow? The driver controls those. Throttle delay or no throttle delay.Rookie mistakes. A pro wouldn't screw that up. He'd have tested for it and be able to compensate. So again, it's an operator issue. Transmission software generationNo idea how this would affect anything that the operator couldn't prepare for. progressive shift...holy hell... |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TheHat on Wed Mar 25 19:54:29 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:55:40 2015. Ride my bus like you said you would so many years ago and You'll see..., don't and wonder why... |
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Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V) |
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Posted by TerrapIN StatiON on Thu Mar 26 00:40:58 2015, in response to Re: MTA (NYC Transit) awarded New Flyer for additional 72 buses on 690 bus order... (R.I.P. Orion V), posted by TheHat on Wed Mar 25 19:54:29 2015. I'm not buying it. If there's any truth to what you are saying then surely you can explain it in a few sentences. |
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