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Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014

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Bus customers using the M42 crosstown route will have the opportunity to ride a vintage New York City bus for the holiday season. Everything will be original except the fare. The crosstown buses run from Monday through Friday, December 1st through December 19th .

The historic fleet is appreciated by Transit's top managers for their historic significance. "These buses are a living, breathing part of the city's history and each has a unique story to tell about the era in which it operated," says Darryl Irick, Senior VP of NYC Transit Department of Buses and President of MTA Bus and a former Bus Operator himself. "When you examine this collection as a whole, the progression of motorized surface transportation in New York City really comes to life."

Many of the vehicles in NYC Transit’s historic fleet have been deemed to have historical significance to the city, including bus number 3100, a 1956 GM which was the first air-conditioned transit bus to operate in the City, and 5227, the last non wheelchair-accessible bus to operate for NYC Transit, pulled from service in 1993.

While most of the preserved and restored vehicles were ordered and operated by NYC Transit, the earliest buses belonged to predecessor companies, notably the Fifth Avenue Coach Company, which was founded in 1885. The historic fleet is made up largely of so-called "old look" buses (built prior to the Autumn of 1959) and "new look" models (buses with slanted windows and enlarged windshields built in Pontiac, Michigan from the Autumn of 1959 until the introduction of the RTS in 1977).

General Motors and Flxible are the most heavily represented manufacturers, though there is also a 1956 Mack in the collection. Interestingly, all three companies are now out of the bus-building business.

NOSTALGIA BUS HIGHLIGHTS:

Bus No. 3100 - Manufactured by General Motors in 1956, this Model TDH 5106 was the first air-conditioned transit bus to operate in New York City. The bus was designed and built to demonstrate updated features. Other features introduced in the 1950s included the push-type rear exit doors, wrap-around rear soft seating, fluorescent lighting, and the air-ride suspension that is still the standard today on today’s transit buses.

Bus No. 6259 - Manufactured by Mack Truck and Bus Company, Model C49DT first arrived to the fleet in 1956 and was in operation until 1969 in Staten Island and NYCT Brooklyn routes. The “DT’ in the model number stand for “Diesel Transit,” this model was delivered with cushioned seating but converted to hard plastic in the mid-1960s because of vandalism.

Bus No. 8466 - Manufactured by General Motors, this Model TDH 5303 were ordered in 1966 for MaBSTOA and NYCT to replace 1940s and 1950s vintage buses acquired by the City after the Fifth Avenue Coach Lines takeover in 1962. This series was the first new fleet of New York City buses designed and built with air conditioning and also featured large illuminated advertising signs on each side. These buses proved to be so reliable and durable that several were selected to be rebuilt in 1984 to extend their useful life lives.

Bus No. 5227 - the last non-wheelchair accessible bus to operate for NYC Transit, pulled from service in 1993.

Bus No, 7144 – is a 1957 General Motors TDH 5106. Another classic “old look” style reminiscent of thousands of similar buses that operated throughout the City from the 1950s to the early 1970s.

All Nostalgia services are weather permitting.

The buses will not roll during periods of rain and snow.

http://www.mta.info/news-holiday-nostalgia-ride-bus-subway/2014/11/21/nostalgia-trains-buses-return-holidays

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 21 12:55:19 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Time for the annual BusChat question "Why can't they run them on other routes too"?

Be greatful you have this.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by caine515 on Fri Nov 21 14:06:11 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Ill be out there 12/2.would it still be running around 2-3pm? And it's a shame Grumman #236 isn't out there.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 14:40:41 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 21 12:55:19 2014.

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Yes, be greatful, particularily since there is no maint. staff to keep them in tip top shape :-(

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by JohnnyMints on Fri Nov 21 15:06:37 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Great! Thanks for the info!

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Nov 21 15:42:03 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by MR RT on Fri Nov 21 14:40:41 2014.

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So then who keeps them roadworthy?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by nostalgia on Fri Nov 21 15:43:53 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Last year, I sat on a bench for two hours at the UN Terminal. 9098 pulled in and sat on the left curb with the engine running. It left after 15 minutes FLAGGING all the bus fans waiting at the corner. I wrote to the MTA website and the response was "We've identified the driver and we may have to call on you to attend a hearing." Of course, nobody called.

There's no published schedule unlike the nostalgia train. That would help!!

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Westcode44 on Fri Nov 21 16:46:47 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Was hoping to see 1964-Flxible 5117, when do they ever run this bus.??

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by caine515 on Fri Nov 21 17:35:51 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Nov 21 12:55:19 2014.

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They were supposed to one year. B1 IN BROOKLYN the s61 in staten island and the q13.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Joe V on Fri Nov 21 19:54:00 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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I wish it were shifted later in the month to cover the week between Xmas and New Years when many people can get off work or school and enjoy them

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 23 01:56:03 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Is it true that 5227 was retired in 1993? I would have sworn it was in 1995.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 13:19:12 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by nostalgia on Fri Nov 21 15:43:53 2014.

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Perhaps they'll put BusTime transponders on them this year.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 13:34:14 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 13:19:12 2014.

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I think that's a waste of money since they are in regular service for a few weeks out of the year for a few hours daily.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 13:41:47 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 13:34:14 2014.

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Oh, I thought they're just mounted on the roof and they're easily removable.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:44:04 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 23 01:56:03 2014.

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It is 1995. MTA never corrected their press release for more then 5 years.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:48:20 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by TerrApin Station on Fri Nov 21 15:42:03 2014.

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bump

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:48:51 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by caine515 on Fri Nov 21 17:35:51 2014.

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huh? they did!

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:52:11 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 13:34:14 2014.

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Why would that necessarily be a waste of money?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:52:52 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 13:19:12 2014.

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Perhaps they'll put BusTime transponders on them this year.
Maybe if we write enough letters/emails. I'm game. Who's up for it?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:54:08 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:52:11 2014.

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For ten days a year?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:56:04 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 13:41:47 2014.

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But you also have the BusTime hardware equipment and I doubt they could hook up the modern hardware to antiqued vehicle.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 14:06:12 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:52:11 2014.

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I explained why in the same message.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 23 16:53:59 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:44:04 2014.

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Gracias

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Sun Nov 23 17:32:39 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:56:04 2014.

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Ok.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 17:39:26 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 13:56:04 2014.

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Doesn't BusTime get posted to the site in conjunction with the route sign?

Since the museum fleet has manual signage............

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 22:00:45 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 14:06:12 2014.

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No you didn't. You stated the obvious about the duration of use. But why would that necessarily be a waste of money?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 22:01:03 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 13:52:52 2014.

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bump

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 22:13:48 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 22:00:45 2014.

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As stated in the message they are out on a regular fare paying route for a few hours a day for a few days out of the year.

Why did you quote only part of the message in your response?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 22:34:08 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 17:39:26 2014.

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They could use the farebox to plug in the code.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 22:47:42 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Sun Nov 23 22:34:08 2014.

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OK thanks. You are correct.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 23:58:57 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 22:13:48 2014.

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I know that. That's why I said "You stated the obvious about the duration of use." But that doesn't explain why they would necessarily be a waste of money. For example, what if they already have the necessary parts available? How much would it cost to install and maintain them for just a month and then remove them? And how much benefit/PR would it bring to NYCT? You haven't addressed any of that.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 01:09:53 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 23 23:58:57 2014.

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He doesn't have to address it, just drop it. Those fare boxes draw enough electricity as it is. Adding another accessory will just strain an overtaxed electrical system.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:21:58 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 01:09:53 2014.

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If he doesn't need to address it then why did you just address it? Why are you so against open discussion?

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Nov 24 10:51:50 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:21:58 2014.

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STFU idiot.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 12:32:55 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 09:21:58 2014.

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I addressed because I felt like it. I only offered an opinion. Open discussion is wonderful and I'm not opposed to it. I'm surprised you took it that way.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 12:45:03 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 12:32:55 2014.

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I took it that way because you said he didn't need to address it. Since he posted an opinion, in the spirit of honest discussion of the topic, I think he should address it.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 14:37:08 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by terRAPIN station on Mon Nov 24 12:45:03 2014.

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That's right he doesn't have to explain it if he doesn't feel like it.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 15:00:42 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 14:37:08 2014.

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That's not what I said.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 16:30:25 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by TerrApin Station on Mon Nov 24 15:00:42 2014.

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But that's what I said. This is being steered completely off topic now and its over nonsense. Pure speculation points to not being willing nor able to affix those transponders on those buses for a couple different reasons. It would be to the advantage of a few fans and it probably isn't worth the hassle of finding a solution to those issues, if that is even the problem(s) in the first place.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 22:50:18 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 16:30:25 2014.

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But that's what I said.
So then you misunderstood what I said.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 23:22:22 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 22:50:18 2014.

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I didn't misunderstand anything. Hopefully we can talk about on the buses themselves this December and not waste anymore space on this fine board with this pettiness.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 23:31:09 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Nov 24 23:22:22 2014.

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Sounds good. Hopefully they will have BusTime installed so we can find the buses easier :)

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Catfish 44 on Tue Nov 25 00:38:58 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 24 23:31:09 2014.

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Hopefully they will.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Westcode44 on Tue Nov 25 22:02:55 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Nov 23 13:34:14 2014.

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Take plenty of pictures,,Happy Thanksgiving everyone-
WE-44

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by northshore on Wed Nov 26 07:38:25 2014, in response to Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by Gold_12th on Fri Nov 21 12:40:46 2014.

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Can't wait to ride the Mack.

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Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19

Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Nov 26 12:04:11 2014, in response to Re: Vintage New York City bus fleet on the M42 bus only; Weekdays only: Dec. 1 to 19, posted by northshore on Wed Nov 26 07:38:25 2014.

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Can't wait to ride the Mack.

I'm with you. I haven't ridden a Mack in more years than I care to remember.

Larry, RedbirdR33

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