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MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014

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New York City Transit Billion dollar plan....

1,113 (40') standard clean diesel buses
275 (60') articulated buses
50 (45') express buses
138 (40') CNG buses
75 (40') electric diesel hybrid buses
999 paratransit buses
~~~~~~ see PDF page 56


MTA Bus Comapany $302 million plan

28 (60') articulated buses
378 (45') express buses
~~~~~~ see PDF page 120

http://web.mta.info/capital/pdf/Board_2015-2019_Capital_Program.pdf

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 16:59:54 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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Is the 275 artics for expanison?

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 23 17:21:59 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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75 hybrids?

IDK what they're thinking.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by pragmatist on Tue Sep 23 17:35:31 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 23 17:21:59 2014.

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Maybe to test/evaluate the Allison Drive instead of the BAE Drive which might prove more suitable in the areas with less traffic density? Maybe I'm reaching.......

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Cappy on Tue Sep 23 17:37:33 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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New York City Transit Billion dollar plan....
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75 (40') electric diesel hybrid buses


I guess they're not interested in buying all-electric buses after demoing a BYD Auto K9 bus last year...

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 17:53:21 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 16:59:54 2014.

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that could be a fleet expansion from a 40 footer to 60 footer.

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MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... year by year

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 18:06:25 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... year by year

Posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 18:15:53 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... year by year, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 18:06:25 2014.

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Does this mean sc will be retrofited for artics ?

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... year by year

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 18:30:23 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... year by year, posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 18:15:53 2014.

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Spring Creek? No, for now.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 23 18:30:33 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 23 17:21:59 2014.

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They probably will keep those in Manhattan. The 8600 RTSs at Quill stayed there there entire life's IIRC, shouldn't be too hard to keep these buses in Manhattan.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 23 18:32:36 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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I really hope the hybrid order is from either Nova or New Flyer...

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 20:07:04 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 23 18:32:36 2014.

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as per the 138 cng order, is the money left in the current capital plan for 112 cgns becuse they nave to replace 250 cngs.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Flxible4life on Tue Sep 23 21:41:30 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 23 18:30:33 2014.

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Let me guess, those 75 hybrids will go to Manhattanville Depot. The depot in Manhanttan that's 100% hybrid-electric if I'm not mistakened. Plenty of stop and go heavy routes

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Sep 23 23:18:21 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 23 17:21:59 2014.

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Probably due to the lawsuits about air quality around the Manhattan depots. They will likely have to replace the current hybrid fleet at those depots with some sort of clean technology fleet and the expense of converting to CNG is probably prohibitive at this time.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 24 09:37:04 2014, in response to MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Sep 23 16:45:48 2014.

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Is this the final nail in the coffin for the RTS ?

Bill Newkirk

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Sep 24 12:20:53 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 24 09:37:04 2014.

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The 700 bus order will wipe out the remaining RTS buses.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Wed Sep 24 12:59:54 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Sep 23 18:30:33 2014.

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IIRC, some of those 8600's were originally at Amsterdam, then transferred to what was originally Westside Depot, before the name change to Quill in 2000. MCH might have gotten some, as well.

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Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses

Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Sep 24 13:04:39 2014, in response to Re: MTA Capital Program 2015-2019 on bus purchases... yes they will still buy hybrid buses, posted by mike nash on Tue Sep 23 20:07:04 2014.

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There many different scenarios...

1. Option order on 138 CNG buses that MTA forgot to include.

2. MTA may extending the 2004 Orion VII CNGs life, that could last til 2019. (15 years)

3. 275 articulated may wipe out some of the CNG bus fleet.

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