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(G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Aug 25 13:07:49 2014

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The G train is scheduled to be back in action next week, but some riders are actually bemoaning its return.

The free shuttle bus that runs between Lorimer Street and Court Square has been faster, more consistent and more reliable than the much-maligned G, which has been down between Greenpoint and Long Island City for post-Hurricane Sandy repairs, many riders say.

"It's faster," said George Huarotte, 22, who works in Greenpoint. "I prefer the shuttle."

"The shuttle is always there," said Tiffany Elisca, 25, who also works in Greenpoint. "And it's free."

The G train has been shut down between the Nassau Avenue and Court Square stops since July 25 to allow workers to make "extended repairs" after 3 million gallons of salt water flooded the line during Sandy, according to the MTA.

The five-week closure is set to end on Tuesday, Sept. 2, which will also mean the end of frequent shuttle buses along Manhattan Avenue and McGuinness Boulevard.

The G train has long been derided as one of the city's worst train lines, even though a recent analysis suggests other lines are slower and dirtier.

Shanelly Taveras, 20, commutes from Court Square to the McDonald's near the Greenpoint Avenue stop and called the G "the slowest train" she rides.

Taveras once waited 20 minutes for the train to leave the Court Square station, making her total commute about 30 minutes, she said. But with the shuttle, she said she zips to work in just 10 to 15 minutes.

"I actually get to work on time now," she said. "It is convenient."

For nighttime commuters, the shuttle has been particularly beneficial, said John Monte, 47, who commutes from work in Long Island City to his Greenpoint home at night.

Monte doesn't mind the G train during the day, but after 10 p.m., "it's awful," he said.

"The shuttle comes more often," he said.

Providing the shuttles, according to the MTA, has been "extremely expensive" — and the buses can't accommodate as many riders as the train. An MTA spokesman declined to specify the cost of the shuttles.

The shuttles, which each fit about 50 people, are scheduled to run every two to three minutes on the McGuinness Boulevard route and every four minutes on the Manhattan Avenue route until 8 p.m., according to a spokesman.

At night, the buses run about every five minutes, the spokesman said.

Meanwhile, the G train is scheduled to run every 8 to 20 minutes, depending on the time of day, with each four-car train fitting about 580 people.

Once the train returns from the shutdown, the schedule will remain the same, the MTA spokesman said.

Though riders said they love the free buses, many people held out hope that repairs would bring a brand-new, better G that's just as consistent as the shuttles.

And even if it's not, having a "crappy" train is better than no train at all, said Renzo Gallardo, 31, who moved to New York from Miami earlier this year, where the lack of public transit means most people drive.

"The trains are pretty good," Gallardo said. "Everything is good to me right now."

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140825/greenpoint/g-train-shuttle-bus-runs-better-than-train-did-riders-say

lol, really?

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 23:45:33 2014, in response to (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by Gold_12TH on Mon Aug 25 13:07:49 2014.

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I rode the G bus between Lorimer Street and Court Square. It is a quick ride once the bus got onto McGuinness Blvd. The Lorimer Street and Meeker Avenue segments were kinda slow. The fact it was a bendy bus didn't help.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Aug 27 21:56:35 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 23:45:33 2014.

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I have the route of the via McGuinness bus now:

Northbound: On Metropolitan Avenue eastbound at Union Avenue. Left on Lorimer, right on Meeker, left on McGuinness, cross Pulaski Bridge, right on Jackson Avenue, left on 23rd Street, right on 44th Drive. Layover Zone on 44th Drive between 23rd Street Q39/Q67 stop and Jackson Avenue Q39/Q67 stop, on Jackson between 44th Drive and Court Square B62 stop, and behind 45th Avenue pick-up stop.

Southbound: on Jackson Avenue westbound at 45th Avenue. Left onto Pulaski Bridge to McGuinness Blvd. Right on Graham, right on Meeker, left on Union Avenue. Layover Zone on Meeker between Metropolitan and Union, and on Union between Meeker and Metropolitan.

Bus Stops: Union & Metropolitan (Q59; Discharge only), Metropolitan & Union (B24; Pick-up only), McGuinness & Nassau, McGuinness & Greenpoint, Jackson & 21st Street (B62), 44th Drive & 23rd Street (Q39/Q67; Discharge only), Jackson between 45th Avenue and 45th Road (pick-up only).

DO NOT BLOCK BUS STOPS NEAR LAYOVER ZONES, OR BUSES ON OTHER FIXED ROUTES!

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Aug 30 13:27:43 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Aug 25 23:45:33 2014.

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Yeah, The G train is so damn slow. Shuttle buses are definitely better, but I can understand the cost. Well enjoy they while they last. People should use the B48/B62 if they really don't want the G train.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by sloth on Sat Aug 30 16:37:50 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Aug 30 13:27:43 2014.

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The B48 is so bad that everyone walks to the G train.
Seriously, they're traveling in packs of three on 20-minute headways today.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by sloth on Sat Aug 30 16:37:50 2014.

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Today is not a good day for determining traffic reliability.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sun Aug 31 16:16:06 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Aug 30 13:27:43 2014.

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The B48 is even more infrequent than the (G) train, though.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by sloth on Sun Aug 31 17:08:31 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by JAzumah on Sat Aug 30 20:57:04 2014.

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Yeah, I was wondering if something was going on along the route. Do you know what it was?
Though I stand by my opinion of B48 service. The latest thing has been drivers leaving Meeker Ave well ahead of their schedule in the morning rush, by up to five minutes.
If they're going to do that, they might as well just write "leave your house whenever and hope for the best" where the schedule used to be.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by Edwards! on Sun Aug 31 19:19:21 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Sat Aug 30 13:27:43 2014.

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True,there has been periods where delays plagued the G line like a warm summer day.When it seems like headways were "when we feel like it".

Now...it's much better.You can count on a train at least every six to eight minutes... unless you can't be bothered with waiting.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 31 22:34:52 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by sloth on Sun Aug 31 17:08:31 2014.

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Could it be the previous bus actually leaving late?

If there ia a problem, at the very least an Email of complaint should be sent.

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Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say

Posted by sloth on Sun Aug 31 23:09:02 2014, in response to Re: (G) Train Shuttle Bus Runs Better Than the Train Did, Riders Say, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Aug 31 22:34:52 2014.

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The leaving times from Meeker/Stewart in the AM rush are something like 753, 805, 820, 835, etc.
The bus is given 3-4 minutes to get to Hausman Street, which is very generous, but allows for getting stuck behind a truck backing into a loading dock on Bridgewater, which happens sometimes.
But a bus leaving on time and getting ahead will end up giving the time back due to the heavy volume at the Hausman-Kingsland-Humboldt stops.
What started to happen this month was the bus blowing through the Hausman stop *before* its scheduled departure from Meeker, picking up only a few people, and getting even further ahead.
It's not the previous bus running late, because there's almost no one waiting for it.

I figured it was easier to leave the house a few minutes earlier, than to make a complaint. Someone else will, anyway, especially if complaints can be made in Polish.

I only mention it because anyone suggesting the 48 as a substitute for the G does not know the habits of the 48 (aka the "Give Up and Walk") very well.


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