Home · Maps · About

Home > BusChat

[ Post a New Response | Return to the Index ]

(297203)

view threaded

[Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d


Charlotte-Douglas International Airport is being forced to auction 10 hybrid-electric buses because the entire fleet is broken down.

Anchor Scott Wickersham learned why they can't get them fixed.

The airport bought the buses from DesignLine, the Charlotte bus company that former Mayor Anthony Foxx worked for.

The company went bankrupt last year and the airport said it could no longer get any parts or service for the complex hybrid buses and one by one they broke down.

The useless hybrid buses are sitting in a parking lot at the airport.

The airport bought 10 of them from 2007 to 2011 for almost $5 million and they didn't look for better offers.

The airport said it was allowed to enter a no-bid contract with DesignLine under something called a sole-source exemption because they were the only company in the region that makes them.

The buses are now worth whatever they will fetch at an upcoming city auction.

Airport facilities director Mark Weibke said diesel buses usually last seven to 10 years.

“Did we get the life out of the buses we wanted? No,” he said.

A few of the hybrids lasted that long but three they bought in 2011 for $450,000 each had just three years of service.

“With the new technology, it’s not like a diesel our mechanics are used to working on. This takes a lot more technology,” Weibke said.

Mayor Pro Tem Michael Barnes said he doesn't blame the airport but they should learn from it if they look into buying hybrids again.

“I would want to know if replacements were used in other cities. If there is a high cost. If you get good life out of them,” Barnes said.

It's a lesson that will end up being a costly one for the airport and taxpayers.

The airport is an enterprise fund meaning it makes its own money to pay for things like buses.

But they did use $1 million in taxpayer grants to buy the buses.

Channel 9 tried to contact Foxx for his reaction to this story but did not hear back.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/news/local/airport-hybrid-buses-be-put-auction-block/ng6JH/

NJ Transit maybe looking down the road as well???

Post a New Response

(297207)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by busdude2 on Thu Aug 28 05:13:57 2014, in response to [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Maybe NJT will learn from their mistake. Stick with proven builders.

Post a New Response

(297208)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by JAzumah on Thu Aug 28 08:01:02 2014, in response to [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Ouch...don't companies make money on parts?

Post a New Response

(297209)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 28 08:40:15 2014, in response to [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
EPV wants the more lucrative commuter coach sales. It's to their benefit to support the ECOCoaches in NJT's fleet as best they can. If I was Tony Luo, I'd be scrambling for investor financing to take a shot at the 1400-unti diesel order. All EPV needs is enough money to build the first year's batch of 300 (about $165 million)... then they get paid and that money builds the next batch.

Not saying it will happen, or that EPV is even on the qualified bidder list right now... but you only become a proven manufacturer by building, not sitting around with an empty factory.

Post a New Response

(297210)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by pragmatist on Thu Aug 28 08:40:42 2014, in response to Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by JAzumah on Thu Aug 28 08:01:02 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Usually. Also, many of the parts found on most buses are sourced from other companies, and after warranty and contract obligations, are often sourced from someone other than the "assembler" The degree to which parts have to be sole sourced is a major factor in determining true life cycle costs as opposed to acquisition costs.

Post a New Response

(297228)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by numbersix on Thu Aug 28 19:18:46 2014, in response to [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Is this the same company that built the Springfield monorail?

Post a New Response

(297229)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by busdude2 on Thu Aug 28 19:23:42 2014, in response to Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 28 08:40:15 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
Please not again. MCI rocks and is proven.

Post a New Response

(297231)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by kcram3500 on Thu Aug 28 20:20:16 2014, in response to Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by busdude2 on Thu Aug 28 19:23:42 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
When FTA writes the check, it's not about who the TA wants or prefers.

Post a New Response

(297232)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Aug 28 20:40:15 2014, in response to [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by Gold_12th on Thu Aug 28 00:48:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
This should have resulted in serious questions when Foxx was having hearings for USDOT Transportation secretary...the company went bankrupt before Foxx was confirmed.

Post a New Response

(297240)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Aug 29 11:27:18 2014, in response to Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Aug 28 20:40:15 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
It should have, but as long as Senate Dems are running things, I think most political observers would've predicted an easy confirmation for Foxx.

Post a New Response

(297241)

view threaded

Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet)

Posted by ctrabs74 on Fri Aug 29 11:29:51 2014, in response to Re: [Charlotte, NC] Airport hybrid buses to be put on auction block; (ALL useless DesignLine fleet), posted by busdude2 on Thu Aug 28 05:13:57 2014.

edf40wrjww2msgDetailB:detailStr
fiogf49gjkf0d
I agree with you...

The problem is that as long as the FTA has regulations that require "lowest responsive bidder" for all bus requisitions, then that gives the Feds the right to, for all intents and purposes, "pick and choose winners." That worked out well for other "favored" environmentally friendly businesses, now didn't it?

Post a New Response


[ Return to the Message Index ]