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Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014

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Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone's plan for north-south rapid-bus corridors, linking downtowns, businesses and research centers, is viable but will cost $78 million to implement along three recommended routes, a new county study says.

The $300,000 federally funded study, done by AECOM, a global design firm, calls for rapid-transit routes along 15 miles of Nicolls Road from Stony Brook University to Patchogue, and on 15 miles of Route 110 from Amityville to Huntington.

It also recommends a rapid-bus route along 17 miles of Sagtikos Parkway from Kings Park to Deer Park, but only if the huge 9,000-unit Heartland Town Square development in Brentwood is built.

"Suffolk County lacks a single north-south transit connection, making travel without a car extremely difficult," the study states. "Transforming mass transit commuting into a viable and attractive alternative for young job-seekers will provide an untapped potential to drive economic growth."

Bellone, who has dubbed the initiative "Connect Long Island," said the study proves bus rapid transit is viable and will get people out of their cars, ease traffic and reduce pollution.

"We cannot grow the economy by adding more cars to the road. We have to think about improving our ability to move people around," Bellone said. Using rapid-bus corridors "makes sense to connect the things and places people want to be."

The proposed system would rely on $600,000 hybrid buses traveling in dedicated lanes with expedited traffic signaling, preboarding fare collection and a network of shelter and bus stations -- a regime that has speeded up service by 15 percent to 30 percent in other areas where it is used.

Bellone said the system can't go forward without "significant aid" from the state and federal governments, and that more detailed studies are needed before construction could begin.

He estimated construction could not begin until 2016 and the first route would not open until at least 2018. Consultants say their cost estimates are based on 2013 dollars.

Legis. John M. Kennedy Jr. (R-Nesconset), minority leader, called Bellone's plan "a fool's folly" in light of the county's continuing $100 million structural deficit.

"Our infrastructure is crumbling and he is calling for more and more debt that my great-grandchildren will have to pay," Kennedy said. "It's the epitome of irresponsible government."

Bellone said the first priority would be the Nicolls Road route because Suffolk already has received a $1.5 million grant from New York State Energy Development Authority for design work.

While the study found Nicolls Road corridor has only 7 percent of jobs in Suffolk, the administration said the route is important because it would connect three major colleges and the growing Patchogue downtown and will have a connection to the planned Ronkonkoma Hub, its rail station and Long Island MacArthur Airport.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/study-bellone-rapid-bus-plan-would-cost-78-million-1.8928856


A study on creating a bus rapid transit system on three of Suffolk's major roads has found that such a move would carry a $78 million price tag.

Suffolk County Executive Steve Bellone's initiative, Connect Long Island, calls for creating north-south transit opportunities, the focus of the Suffolk County Bus Rapid Transit Feasibility Study.

The federally funded feasibility study considered creating bus rapid transit - or BRT - service that would travel the 16 miles between Amityville Village and Halesite in Huntington Town via Route 110; and travel the 15 miles between Patchogue Village and the Stony Brook Long Island Rail Road station via Nicolls Road.

It would also travel the 17 miles between the Deer Park LIRR station and downtown Kings Park via the Sagtikos State Parkway, but only if the former Pilgrim State Hospital site in Brentwood is developed as Heartland Town Square development, a plan for 9,000 housing units as well as office and commercial space.

The rapid transit plan would require an estimated $78 million in capital improvements for the roads — $58 million without the Sagtikos State Parkway. Each hybrid bus would cost $600,000, included in the $78 million estimate. A Bellone spokesperson said a total of 31 buses would be uses: 13 on Route 110, nine on Nicolls Road and nine on the Sagtikos.

If pursued, the project would be done in phases based on demand and funding. The feasibility study estimates annual operating costs would be around $3 million for each road.

The rapid transit system would carry commuters between the south and north shores and stations would be located at busy sites, like universities, LIRR stations and major employment and housing sites.

The report touts the plan as one that would speed up travel times for BRT commuters, as the buses would have designated lanes to bypass traffic. It would also help the environment by reducing congestion and pollution, the report states.

The feasibility study notes that the rapid transit plan is part of a larger plan to encourage development.

"To truly transform a corridor's economy, BRT needs to be paired with local sustainable land use plans to facilitate transit-oriented development," the report states.

The report also expects that ridership on the existing local bus routes would increase as the BRT is implemented, as Bellone explained the expectation that people would rely more on mass transit overall.

The county would apply for state and federal grants to pay for its implementation if officials decide to move forward.

The county has already gotten federal and state funding for engineering analysis and planning on Nicolls Road and Bellone said planning for Nicolls Road has been underway for a while.

Nicolls is a priority for the county, Bellone said, because funding is in place to get started ahead of Route 110 and Sagtikos.

"It's a corridor that connects a lot of the significant assets in our region."

Stony Brook University and the Selden campus of Suffolk County Community College would be two major stops along that route.

This is "designed to build an ecosystem here of downtowns that are connected by public transportation," Bellone said.

He hopes Connect Long Island will "reverse the brain drain and build an innovation economy. It's a plan for the future that builds upon existing assets."

Legislature Minority Leader John Kennedy Jr. opposes the idea, calling it unnecessary.

"I am very much [not persuaded] that there is some overwhelming need to move people" up and down these corridors, he said. "I just think that this is a concept that would require a tremendous amount of investment."

He would possibly support "a drastically reduced and scaled-down investment" on Route 110, where the Town of Babylon has already done a study and where commercial development may warrant it.

"It's somewhat mind-numbing that we would be advancing that conceptually at a time when there is some very little demonstrated need for that," he said of the overall study.

http://www.northshoreoflongisland.com/Articles-News-i-2014-07-31-100113.112114-sub-Bus-plan-for-Suffolks-roads-would-cost-78-million.html

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 19 07:11:37 2014, in response to Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014.

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'... "Suffolk County lacks a single north-south transit connection, making travel without a car extremely difficult," the study states ...'

The 3 routes picked, Route 110; Nicolis Rd; & Sagtikos Pky are all busy, but what makes them think $78M will result in lots of riders ?
Why not try a local bus route first ?

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Aug 19 07:24:16 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 19 07:11:37 2014.

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Possibly some transportation studies?

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 19 13:24:58 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 19 07:11:37 2014.

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Route 110 already has a local bus route, the S1 running between Huntington and Amityville, full time (according to what ST runs). Nicholls Road may also have a bus route too.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Aug 19 13:56:15 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 19 13:24:58 2014.

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Nicolls Road is S71 bus route

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Aug 19 14:02:11 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Aug 19 13:56:15 2014.

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Somehow a bus route with 90 min headway and 8 round trips a day is going to get a boost in ridership because of BRT?

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Aug 19 14:05:45 2014, in response to Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014.

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See there's a difference between certain travel patterns and highway usage. The Sagtikos connects the east-west highways in Suffolk County, many are using it just to get between the LIE/NSP/SSP & Sunrise Highway. A BRT route would accomplish what exactly?

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Aug 19 16:04:39 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 19 07:11:37 2014.

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Well, [b]if[/b] any route should get BRT, it should be the S1 up Route 110, because it's the busiest route in the county. But even then, it runs every every 15 minutes during rush hour and 30 minutes for most of the day. It's not like here in NYC, where the busiest routes have ample service, so you can serve both local and SBS riders with frequent service.

BRT isn't going to magically make a ton of riders appear out of thin air. If the existing local route isn't even that frequent, how can a BRT route succeed?

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Aug 19 18:18:43 2014, in response to Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014.

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Heh. BRT never is.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Aug 19 19:49:30 2014, in response to Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014.

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Ehhh I don't see this being useful. Rt 110 could use a bus lane in some spots, but that's as far as I'd go

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by ntrainride on Tue Aug 19 19:52:51 2014, in response to Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Mon Aug 18 19:09:44 2014.

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Rt. 110 is primed for higher density development. The section from Jericho
, Turnpike to the Great Neck Road especially. Combine this with a re-opened Republic station and, "long term", this will be a winner.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Mac5689 on Tue Aug 19 23:06:30 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Aug 19 13:24:58 2014.

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Nicholls Road doesn't have a route that travels it's full length, which the BRT would do.

The S71 travels on Nicolls from Stony Brook to SCCC-Selden. Nicholls Road however is a heavily traveled road and has quite a few accidents, and that is probably one reason why the S71 ends up getting delayed.

Unless they make a dedicated Bus lane and somehow are able to strickly enforce it, I don't see a BRT route working on Nichools Road.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Mac5689 on Tue Aug 19 23:08:10 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Aug 19 13:56:15 2014.

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The S71 doesn't travel the full length of Nicholls, like a BRT would do, it only travels on Nicholls from SCCC-Selden to Stony Brook RR. Also the S71 gets delayed, most likely because of Nicholls Road.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Tue Aug 19 23:58:36 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 19 07:11:37 2014.

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Sagtikos Parkway? Would have to raise Overpasses most are at 7ft (Per Robert Moses) for any bus service on the Parkway.

Could run the service on nearby Commack Road - Suffolk cr4


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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Mac5689 on Wed Aug 20 06:23:55 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Tue Aug 19 23:58:36 2014.

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Aren't buses shorter then 7ft? I mean there is a railroad bridge for the LIRR near me that has a clearnce of 4ft or somewhere around that and the bus makes it under just fine.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 08:52:21 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Mac5689 on Wed Aug 20 06:23:55 2014.

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There is no way the clearance is 4 feet. Most people are taller than that.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 20 09:27:27 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Aug 19 14:05:45 2014.

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See there's a difference between certain travel patterns and highway usage. The Sagtikos connects the east-west highways in Suffolk County, many are using it just to get between the LIE/NSP/SSP & Sunrise Highway. A BRT route would accomplish what exactly?

According to the article, to serve the proposed Heartland Town Square development and encourage more development along the corridor.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 20 09:29:43 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Tue Aug 19 23:58:36 2014.

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Sagtikos Parkway? Would have to raise Overpasses most are at 7ft (Per Robert Moses) for any bus service on the Parkway.

Where do you get 7 feet? The lowest overpass on the Sagtikos is 10'9" (southbound under the Northern State); most are 11'4" to 12'. I assume the $20 million in roadway improvements for the BRT route includes some bridge replacement.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 20 09:35:45 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Mac5689 on Wed Aug 20 06:23:55 2014.

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I mean there is a railroad bridge for the LIRR near me that has a clearnce of 4ft or somewhere around that and the bus makes it under just fine.

I don't think so...



A New Flyer Xcelsior hybrid is 10'10" tall; an Orion VII CNG is 11'3".

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Mac5689 on Wed Aug 20 13:43:33 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 08:52:21 2014.

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Well there is a depression in the road right about at the railroad bridge which I'm not sure if it would play a factor, though I could be off by a foot or two. The best estimite would be that the clearence is a few inches over the hright of a diesel Orion VII NG, because when riding in one of Suffolk's under the bridge the Orion VII looks like it would scrap the top.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Mac5689 on Wed Aug 20 13:48:58 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Aug 20 08:52:21 2014.

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Ok I was off, by alot. The clearence is 11-8', I have no idea why I thought it was 4 feet.

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Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes

Posted by Euclid Avenue A Train on Sat Aug 23 02:51:07 2014, in response to Re: Suffolk County BRT plan: $78 MILLION for Route 110, Nicolls Rd, Sagtikos Pkwy routes, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Wed Aug 20 09:29:43 2014.

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Most of the warning sings at parkway entrance ramps say
" Max Vel Height 7" - 10' "

http://www.longislandexchange.com/longisland/images/SagtikosParkwayEntrancefromWestboundLIECommack.jpg

Sagtikos Parkway Entrance from Westbound Long Island Expressway, Commack

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