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Posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:19:41 2014 I recently came upon a photo in nyc subway.org of an RTS bus # 200 taken back in 1979. It was in front of Kings Plaza and it said #41 on it. It looked like the back was slanted like the older RTS model.I do not remember this model @ NYCTA. I do remember it in Westchester. The first RTS I remember in NYCTA was a straight back, it was 1981 and I saw it in Midtown. WHat is this bus #200?? |
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Posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 1 14:30:52 2014, in response to RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:19:41 2014. The demo for the first RTS's. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:53:44 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 1 14:30:52 2014. thank you were any ordered |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Fri Aug 1 14:55:24 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:53:44 2014. No. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 1 15:51:51 2014, in response to RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:19:41 2014. Link? |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 16:46:44 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 1 15:51:51 2014. Here you go. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Aug 1 19:10:44 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by busdude2 on Fri Aug 1 14:30:52 2014. Saw that demo bus on Jamaica Avenue in Queens. May have been assigned ENY then. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:15:34 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by B53RICH on Fri Aug 1 19:10:44 2014. A few of the privates took a small number of the slant-backs, they later got the conversion kit that "squared them off" If I remember, that helped the cooling quite a bit. |
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Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979?? |
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Posted by RetiredSLD on Fri Aug 1 19:16:20 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 16:46:44 2014. Flatbush got their RTSs on monday 8/3/81 they were put into service late thursday morning on 8/6/81 they were put on the short lines except B42 because they were afraid of the swinging gates hitting the fiberglass panels. I worked run 8 on 17 that morning and pulled out bus 1223. My buddy billy pulled 1222 with 9 on 17. The looks we got were unbeliveable we enjoyed them on both half our runs on friday. Some difference from driving new look gms and flexibles.200 if remember was only on the B41 during daylight hours weekdays only |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 19:29:33 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:15:34 2014. The first RTS units at Green Bus Lines are a perfect example of that. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:33:16 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 19:29:33 2014. Queens/Steinway had a couple, I don't remember if Jamaica or Triboro got any. |
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 1 20:05:24 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:33:16 2014. Jamaica had them in the 300 series. Green were in the 1000 series triboro had the low 600 series. Command never did |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 20:17:36 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 1 20:05:24 2014. Was Command still Pioneer back then? Where I lived/still live we were Queens Transit, but I used to see the Q-60 Green Line buses while waiting for the 65A (now 64)I know the Triboro 23 is right there, but I guess I never paid it any mind. |
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Posted by jeffx on Fri Aug 1 20:38:09 2014, in response to RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:19:41 2014. I remember riding that bus. It was quite exciting for me to see it going down Flatbush Avenue. First RTS I've seen in the flesh. A few days later I waited...and waited for it. I recall riding it on a Sunday, which contradicts what Retired SLD said. It was like something that landed from outer space. |
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Posted by RetiredSLD on Fri Aug 1 20:39:53 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 20:17:36 2014. Pioneer went on strike in the summer of 1979 and became Command after the strike. We got creamed on the 29x those three weeks. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Aug 1 20:44:13 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RetiredSLD on Fri Aug 1 19:16:20 2014. Also, this bus (#200) was only 96 inches wide. Buses were offered in two widths back then. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 20:49:28 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Aug 1 20:44:13 2014. Queens Transit got a bunch of Canadian GM built 102" fishbowls (before the Classics) for their express runs. Back then almost everything was still 96" Three inches on a side doesn't seem like a lot, but those first few tips up 6th ave were interesting. |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Fri Aug 1 20:59:18 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 20:49:28 2014. Although they were 35 footers, the RTSs for Westchester's operations at that time were slant back and 96 inches. They later received the squared off conversion at the rear and new opening windows.Fun times. jrc |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 21:41:43 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by r17-6599 on Fri Aug 1 20:59:18 2014. Westchester had 40's too. The conversion was to add a seperate A/C condensor, as the RTS was designed with the condensor & radiator together like an auto. Turns out the condensor wasn't strong enough to cool a bus and made radiator work very involved let alone keeping both of them clean. |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 21:46:01 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 21:41:43 2014. I think we all agree that the conversion made the RTS a much better bus. I seem to remember something funny about the front axle in the early ones, if you could jog the cobwebs out of my mind, that would be great. |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 21:53:03 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 21:46:01 2014. IIRC independent suspension |
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Posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 22:08:36 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 21:53:03 2014. thanks....when I rode them every day all those years I never took them as seriously as I do now....growing up in a no car family, public transit was second nature.... |
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Posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 1 22:11:26 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 21:53:03 2014. The early RTS had upper and lower control arms for an independent front suspension. The RTS-06 had a front axle beam.Personal opinion - I drove both and prefer the independent front over the straight axle. |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 22:19:15 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 22:08:36 2014. NP, feel the same way about the RTS and fishbowl. rode them enjoyed them and thought they'd be here forever. I am happy to own a fishbowl and I drove RTS' (hope to own one soon). Now I just drive the D4500, maybe I'll feel the same as they fade away, but that's not for a decade or so. Funny I think back and there were a couple generations of B/O's that only knew new look's and even the RTS. Now here IMO there is nothing worth even talking about. |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 22:22:23 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by Cornell Park on Fri Aug 1 22:11:26 2014. Funny, I like the latter. Then again the 81-83's I drove were already 20 or so when I got to them so they were beat IMO. |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Aug 2 02:36:51 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by jeffx on Fri Aug 1 20:38:09 2014. I rode 200 on the Q17. It has 2x2 forward facing beige plastic seating with brown plastic inserts,plug rear door and no wheelchair lift. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 2 07:03:05 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 16:46:44 2014. Thanks! |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Sat Aug 2 09:41:23 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Aug 2 07:03:05 2014. You're welcome! |
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Posted by TheHat on Sat Aug 2 13:12:41 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 16:46:44 2014. What was the powertrain in this puppy? |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Sat Aug 2 13:15:42 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by TheHat on Sat Aug 2 13:12:41 2014. IIRC 6-71 correct me if i am wrong please. |
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Posted by TheHat on Sat Aug 2 13:27:09 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by fishbowls4ever on Sat Aug 2 13:15:42 2014. Figures the MTA would get a bus to demo w/ no balls. Look at the last MCI's we could get the Cummins ISL or ISX, lets get the ISL you know the one we put in transit buses, genius. Hey were gonna get MCI's we could get the 11.1 or the 12.7 DD S60, Eureka! Get the 11.1. THe only one they got right powerwise only b/c it really was a DOT order was getting the twin turbo C13 CAT. Don't forget the 96" 870's that were for Ave B w/ the 8V71. |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Aug 4 11:22:31 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 1 22:22:23 2014. I rode the slants in Westchester in 1980 |
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Posted by rbseabeach on Mon Aug 4 11:23:09 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Aug 1 15:51:51 2014. i'm happy someone helped me out I do not know how to post links. |
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Posted by TheHat on Mon Aug 4 12:09:45 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Mon Aug 4 11:22:31 2014. I rode those, but my short time at Liberty I never got to take out 170, for a spin. Now a movie company has it. I remember the RTS as slants and with roll signs. 35' on the 24 & 32 loop. On the 25 they ran the balls off those 8V-71's. |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 5 13:08:40 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:15:34 2014. That is where the A/C unit went ... |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 5 13:35:18 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:33:16 2014. Queens/Steinway had a coupleLiterally - Queens Transit had #1 and Steinway Transit had #2. Then they bought GMDD Fishbowls. Queens Surface would get more slopebacks in the 1990s (already with the backpacks) from Bridgeport and Westchester. |
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Posted by MR RT on Tue Aug 5 14:14:14 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 5 13:35:18 2014. Right ... back pack ... I saw them at Queens Surface.Seem to remember some at cTc also ? Might even have seen a photo of a couple there. |
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Posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 12:05:44 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by mcorivervsaf on Fri Aug 1 19:29:33 2014. Does anyone have any images of the Jamaica Bus & Triboro RTS-03's AFTER being sent to Green Bus Lines? Those numbers are 301-1 to 310-1 & 630-1 to 636-1 respectively. It'll be great if they are in service but if you have some in a scrap zone that's fine. I never seen them before, only 1001-1015 that Green owned |
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Posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 12:08:05 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 12:05:44 2014. Also, does anyone have images of Green Lines Fishbowls and Grummans in service or being scrapped in the 1990's? |
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 22 13:18:38 2014, in response to RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by rbseabeach on Fri Aug 1 14:19:41 2014. it was assigned to FLA for awahile then to JG where it was tested on the B63. I remember when the Grumman 870 were tested on the B3 out of Ulmer Park. |
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Aug 22 13:20:00 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by pragmatist on Fri Aug 1 19:33:16 2014. Jamaica and Triboro did. Jamaica were in the 300 series while Triboro were in the low 600s. MSBA and Command didn't. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 22 13:24:51 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 12:05:44 2014. Does anyone have any images of the Jamaica Bus & Triboro RTS-03's AFTER being sent to Green Bus Lines? Those numbers are 301-1 to 310-1 & 630-1 to 636-1 respectively. It'll be great if they are in service but if you have some in a scrap zone that's fine. I never seen them before, only 1001-1015 that Green owned302-1 in the scrapyard after its third life with the Mattituck Fire Department:    
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 22 14:00:15 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 12:08:05 2014. Also, does anyone have images of Green Lines Fishbowls and Grummans in service or being scrapped in the 1990's?    The bus at far right in the last photo is Triboro Coach 633, as Green Lines 633-1. 604-1 was also a Triboro loaner. |
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Posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 17:39:56 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 22 14:00:15 2014. I thought that RTS-03's didn't have that orange light on the right of the door. Did Green put that or what? I wonder what that RTS might be on the left. Did GBL paint the borrowed RTS-03's with that color scheme? |
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Posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 17:52:37 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 22 13:24:51 2014. If only the Wayback Machine saved everything. I find old GBL galleries supposedly with images from the early 90's and the descriptions show but pictures wont. Appearently there is a pic with 631-1 & 1009 in service doing Q21A but that doesnt show. There are also images of 361 and another GMDD in service that doesnt come up either, just little red X. Appearently, an archive showed that Transitworld had images of RTS-03s in service but they didnt open since the only archives were when geocities went out in 2009. I did see a picture of 1012 in the GBL garage in the early 90s with the 1 big green stripe and it was already converted to square AC. It had Q10 on the Destination Sign. |
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Posted by TheHat on Fri Aug 22 18:32:32 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Fri Aug 22 17:39:56 2014. R/S was the kneeler warning light. Apparantly in this case, buses were traded between the Cooper companies, most weren't repainted. Interestinly the Flexible Metro utilized the R/F turn signal when the kneeler was activared and the horn for the kneeler warning opposed commonly using seperate light and speaker for the kneeler. |
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Posted by John812 on Tue Sep 9 06:44:41 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Aug 22 14:00:15 2014. That RTS-03 next to 604-1 looks like it says JAMAICA BUSES INC OPERATOR at the bottom near the back. I Don't know if Jamaica Bus RTS-03s got the final GBL Paint Scheme.I Did see on eBay an image of 2 Fishbowls, 873-1 from Jamaica Bus with old dull green Fishbowl color scheme and another Fishbowl that I can't see the number of. It seems to have some form of the final GBL Paint Scheme with only 1 stripe. Also, I saw a picture of 1005 already with the Square AC on the back with the old 1 Green Stripe. No logo on the front though. It also still had the 2 sided Destination Sign. Both pictures were from 1989. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 9 13:02:13 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Tue Sep 9 06:44:41 2014. That RTS-03 next to 604-1 looks like it says JAMAICA BUSES INC OPERATOR at the bottom near the back. I Don't know if Jamaica Bus RTS-03s got the final GBL Paint Scheme.I think it's GREEN BUS LINES INC. OPERATOR. |
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Posted by John812 on Tue Sep 9 17:53:04 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Sep 9 13:02:13 2014. It has a 1 on the number at the top of the driver window if you look really close. I don't know if Green just sent 1001 or 1011 there to get repaired or something because there is a picture of 1001 being scrapped in 2000 and this is definitely not from 2000. 1011 was also around at that point as well.I still don't know if 631-1 to 636-1 or 301-1 to 310-1 got the final paint scheme if anyone can tell me if it did or not. |
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Posted by John812 on Tue Sep 16 20:51:28 2014, in response to Re: RTS Bus 200. 1979??, posted by John812 on Tue Sep 9 17:53:04 2014. |
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