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No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 22 15:47:20 2014

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Editorial on getting more buses to Randall's Island

Smack in the middle of the city there’s a recreation paradise where athletic fields, tennis courts, bikeways, lawns and other wonders abound — almost unknown.

It’s time for New Yorkers to enjoy the fast-improving jewel of Randall’s Island. It’s time for the Parks Department to spread the good word and for the Metropolitan Transportation Authority to vastly improve bus service.

Located in the East River between Manhattan, Queens and the Bronx and attached to Ward’s Island, Randall’s is just out of reach to most New Yorkers without cars. That must change.

Once home to the world’s largest mental hospital, Randall’s and Ward’s have been merged by landfill in the eight decades since state law decreed that the property be dedicated as parkland.

For years, it functioned despite that decree as something like a city junk drawer — home to assorted functions from a range of government agencies. But bit by bit, the green space has been reclaimed.

The mental hospital is a shadow of its former self. Shelters housing 1,000 homeless men remain.

The city’s Sanitation Department removed an unauthorized training lot. Amtrak spent millions to secure the bottom of the railroad’s Hell Gate Bridge, which was falling apart.

After clearing away the detritus, the city and state, with the help of private citizens, have built some beautiful things. The results are stunning:

Amateur sportsmen and women can find New York’s largest collection of baseball diamonds and soccer fields.

There’s the 20-court Sportime Tennis Center, where Noah Rubin, who just became the Wimbledon junior champion, trains.

Most famously, Randall’s is home to the 5,000-seat Icahn Stadium, the only track in America to meet International Amateur Athletic Federation standards.

As they say, but wait, there’s more: a golf center; horseback riding (don’t tell NYCLASS), and even a working urban farm where barley, rice, tomatoes, grapes and more are grown and harvested by schoolkids.

Want to go? We don’t blame you. But how to get there? There’s the rub.

Without a car, there are three ways: by a footbridge from East Harlem, by trash-strewn Triborough Bridge sidewalks, or by riding the only bus that goes there, the M35. No offense to the homeless men who pack the buses to and from shelters on the island, but it’s not a pleasant ride.

The city Economic Development Corp. is close to finishing a new footbridge from the South Bronx, and the MTA refurbished a very long walkway to Astoria, Queens.

Good, but not good enough. The MTA needs to clean up both its disgusting Triborough foot access and the M35 — and add new bus service from the three adjoining boroughs.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/island-time-forgot-article-1.1863863


The editorial “The island that time forgot” (July 14) (above) said, “No offense to the homeless men who pack the buses to and from shelters on the island, but it’s not a pleasant ride.”

How can that statement be understood as anything other than offensive?

The M35 bus is not a pleasant ride, that’s a fact. So why preface a factual statement with a claim of not offending us, unless you’re slyly equating homeless men to unpleasantness, as well as drawing a thin line differentiating yourselves from shelter residents? Does this snide comment come from someone puffed up with airs, who feels entitled to figuratively look down and literally turn their nose up at others who are less fortunate?

I’m a homeless man, and the M35 ride is just as unpleasant for me as it is for someone with a place to call home. “The MTA needs to clean up” the M35 for all of us. Maybe some homeless men contribute to the M35 route not being bus ride of the year, but then so do some non-homeless youth who subject passengers to a high-volume loop of the B-word, F-word, N-word and other words that even a family newspaper can’t clean up.

Next time, try not to insult an entire population of vulnerable individuals in one sentence just to improve a 10-minute trip. Dennis Francis

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/july-21-broken-windows-waste-transfer-woes-derek-jeter-article-1.1872582

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 22 16:27:25 2014, in response to No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 22 15:47:20 2014.

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That foot bridge from East Harlem to the Island is pretty cool, as its a draw bridge, I wonder if its possible to stand on the lift portion of the bridge while its lifted up..

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Jul 22 17:12:23 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 22 16:27:25 2014.

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It's not cool after 8pm or after sunset, whichever comes first...

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 22 22:14:57 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Jul 22 17:12:23 2014.

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Tell me about it...

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 22 22:15:22 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Tue Jul 22 16:27:25 2014.

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Seriously?

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 22 23:37:19 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by TerrApin Station on Tue Jul 22 22:15:22 2014.

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Well, they did let school kids ride on the Carroll Street bridge.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 23 00:18:03 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by metrolinecoach111 on Tue Jul 22 17:12:23 2014.

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you ain't kidding...
do they still close it down after 8pm?

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jul 23 00:18:22 2014, in response to No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 22 15:47:20 2014.

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Some of the facilities already run a private shuttle because of this issue.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 07:41:27 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Jul 22 23:37:19 2014.

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I can't tell what that is. Does it go vertical or only horizontal?

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 23 08:00:21 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Edwards! on Wed Jul 23 00:18:03 2014.

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The bridge is open 24/7, it used to only be open during select times.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 08:52:00 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Jul 23 08:00:21 2014.

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That's great news r33/r36 mainline!

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by sloth on Wed Jul 23 09:08:42 2014, in response to No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Gold_12th on Tue Jul 22 15:47:20 2014.

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M35 aside, they finally found a place in NYC that's so inaccessible, by anything from anywhere, that you can build 50 softball diamonds and no one wants to play on any of them.



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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 23 09:50:21 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by TerrApin Station on Wed Jul 23 07:41:27 2014.

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Carroll Street bridge only goes horizontal.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by JAzumah on Wed Jul 23 11:22:34 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by sloth on Wed Jul 23 09:08:42 2014.

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LOL...I don't know if the buses even serve that side well. You can't ride what you don't see.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jul 23 12:01:21 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by sloth on Wed Jul 23 09:08:42 2014.

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Maybe they could reroute the Q102 route to instead serve Randalls Island instead of traveling along 30th Avenue to a terminal that is already served by three other routes (Q18, Q19 & Q103).

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 23 12:57:14 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jul 23 09:50:21 2014.

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OK, so I would argue that it's not a good comparison.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by sloth on Wed Jul 23 14:34:08 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by JAzumah on Wed Jul 23 11:22:34 2014.

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On the weekend, perhaps, my criticism is unjustified.
On weekday afternoons, the fields are not conveniently situated for the high school teams that use the 2:30-5:30pm slots, or the adult leagues that play at 5:30. Maybe if your whole team works in the East 50s and has understanding bosses. That's rarely the case.

I don't suppose anyone wants to build an Amtrak stop there with an elevator down the Hell Gate Bridge, lol.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jul 23 16:25:19 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jul 23 12:01:21 2014.

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It provides extra capacity between the Astoria Houses and the subway, so people aren't packing onto Q18s.

The question is: How much demand is there from Queens and The Bronx for a direct route to Randall's Island?

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jul 23 16:57:14 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Jul 23 16:25:19 2014.

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Service levels also must be increased on the Q18 & Q19 routes. The Q18 route also needs to be extended to the Metropolitan Avenue Station of the "M" Line via 69th Street.

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Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus

Posted by b1bus on Wed Jul 23 17:12:17 2014, in response to Re: No love for the homeless route M35 bus, posted by Nyctransitman on Wed Jul 23 16:57:14 2014.

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Yes, the Q67 runs hourly on weekends.

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