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Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist |
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Posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Apr 16 22:59:46 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. Explain to me why this is racist? Its very simple you dont have the propper permits or insurance you dont belong on the road. Is it racist to me the high dollar insurance i pay on my tow truck or the dot inspections, registation etc? |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Wed Apr 16 23:23:33 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Apr 16 22:59:46 2014. Chinese van drivers and bus operators NEVER say "it is racism."Only Hispanic and black people scream "racism" because some activist and politicians use tea word as a political tool for their success. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 17 00:28:02 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Dekatyou on Wed Apr 16 23:23:33 2014. Heh, chinatown bus operators have been screaming racism for some time now my friend. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 17 00:29:37 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. I HATE people who bring race into everything! I agree the city needs to liberalize a bit their dollar van policy (as in making it legal to accept street hails), but other than that, the action the PD is taking sounds totally legal to me. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 02:51:24 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Dekatyou on Wed Apr 16 23:23:33 2014. For a while, TLC didn't even post the application for commuter van service on their website. They do not want ANY vans period, legal or not, in the typical Brooklyn corridors. The Queens vans play much nicer with each other and they seem to get some support. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 02:52:16 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 17 00:29:37 2014. The legal operators have been begging for this. It took a rash of fatal accidents to get the NYPD going. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Apr 17 07:11:29 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. Good. Take unlicensed drivers and their uninsured/unlicensed vehicles commuter lesseets. They are beyond dangerous.And if Mr. Henry thinks the NYPD is racially motivated in doing this then he should do the research on how many accidents happen to people of color? In a predominantly black neighborhood, a person of color is much more likely to be injured or killed by a reckless gypsy van driver. Church Avenue is infested with unlicensed dollar cabs, they should be taken off the streets too. One thing to note: How does one call for a van? Aren't there assigned commuter van stops? Are licensed vans allowed to pick up street hails except at NYCT bus stops? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 17 11:10:50 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. Van riders say they use them because of the spotty bus service, but as more use vans instead of bus service, bus service is only reduced and becomes even spottier. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 12:10:12 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 17 11:10:50 2014. You expect them to wait? How is that working out for Sheepshead Bay? |
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Posted by RetiredSLD on Thu Apr 17 14:40:55 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. This issue has been going on since I started as a driver back in the late 70's in Brooklyn. Politicians called and economic stabilizer then. A help to the community for the poor service received by the T.A. I worked out of Flatbush and it was widespread on Flatbush, Utica, Nostrand and even Remsen. The B2 started getting them in the early 1980s to E16 St station during a.m. rush. The B42 was the only line immune because it was onefare. The B49 never got hit then because it really wasn't a heavy commuter line. Schools and Colleges were the big carries. This issue will go on forever no matter what is made of it. I just remember getting cutoff pulling into bus stops. Any accident with a dollar van they took off or and yes it did happen they abandoned the vehicle right there. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Apr 17 14:41:49 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by fishbowls4ever on Wed Apr 16 22:59:46 2014. If everyone is treated the same, then there is no discrimination. I suspect that all van operators are in the crosshairs, regardless of the race of the driver or owner. But what could be racist are decisions to heavily enforce laws that disproportionately affect people of one race (e.g., laws relating to van operations vs. laws relating insider trading). |
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Posted by BusMgr on Thu Apr 17 14:42:00 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. Notice the inconsistencies in the reasoning behind the campaign. For example, there is a blanket statement from the police: "We want to send a message that they’re not safe." It cannot be proven that every van operator is unsafe, and such statements defame those van operators who are in fact safe. The TLC says that dollar vans are "rolling liabilities," even though it also says that "Van drivers playing by the rules . . . have nothing to fear." So which is it? Are there "safe" van operators?The real issue here is that van operators threaten the union jobs of NYCTA bus drivers. This story notes that "properly" licensed van operations includes the responsibility for "picking up [only those] passengers who call ahead for rides." That is, even a van operator who was licensed, insured, drug tested, and background-checked, would face penalties for daring to compete with unionized bus drivers. And since we all know where Mayor de Blasio's support originates, it is not surprising that he would have his police department go after anyone threatening his political base. Here, van operators are convenient to go after because many cannot navigate the Byzantine of the City's regulations, and may not be able to abide by its financially-imposing requirements. Any legitimate safety campaign would focus on reasonable regulation that is rationally related to safety, coupled with programs supportive of the van industry and its compliance therewith. Neither is present here. From the administration's perspective, imposition of economic regulation and hardship on the Mayor's enemies by touting safety violations is the perfect political strategy. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 17 14:57:07 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 12:10:12 2014. They are doing what is best for them at the moment, but not for telling term. The MTA needs to schedule service based on total demand if the only reason why people use vans is because the bus isn't coming. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 17 15:04:59 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by RetiredSLD on Thu Apr 17 14:40:55 2014. It started first on the B46 in 1975 after the NYCT implemented wide service rush hour cuts on the heaviest routes and quickly spread to the B35, and then other routes. Routes that were already over capacity had service cut from 2 to 4 minutes because cutting those routes saved the most operating costs with no regard to revenue. Private cars appeared within a few days due to massive crowds at bus stops. Within three months they were replaced by car services and several years later by vans.The MTA was entirely responsible and privately welcomed the cars and vans, because it reduced the number of buses and trips required. The fleet was even lowered by a thousand buses from about 4500 to 3500. Fewer bus trips meant lower deficits since most routes were losing money. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 18:16:14 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Apr 17 14:57:07 2014. The reality of the schedule versus what happens on the street is even more daunting. There are no 15 minute gaps in service scheduled on Utica Avenue in the afternoon rush hour, but it happens a lot followed by 5 buses arriving at once. The MTA has to be a better job of managing its capacity. The bus lane going in should help a bit.The vans have their place. No one says that yellow cabs reduce bus demand (although they do). We don't shut down FedEx because the USPS needs the money. The biggest problem with a centralized bureaucracy is that the service priorities have nothing to do with actual customer needs. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 17 18:35:34 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Apr 17 07:11:29 2014. According to the article, no, no vans are allowed to pick up street hails. Riders are supposed to call ahead, but I can guarantee that NEVER happens and the city kind of just looks the other way as long as your registered and insured. This is what I mean by reforming the laws governing dollar vans. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Apr 17 18:37:15 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 18:16:14 2014. "NIMBYkiller likes this" |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 18 09:58:03 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 18:16:14 2014. The 15 minute gaps and the five buses at once has been going on since the 1950s, although there were a lot more services back then including a few buses from the bridge to Church Av, and from Avenue N to Fulton, buses from Broadway to Avenue H and Avenue N, full length from the bridge to Avenue N, and six buses in the rush hours that only operated in the peak direction between Avenue H and Eastern Parkway and deadheaded in the reverse direction so they could make multiple trips.The Church Avenue buses were the first to go, being left over from the trolleys. I still remember the trolley tracks on East 48 Street between Church and Snyder for the turnaround. We will see if bus time and SBS and exclusive lanes make any difference or not. |
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Posted by JAzumah on Fri Apr 18 10:20:44 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Apr 18 09:58:03 2014. The vans are to some extent an adaptation on this reality. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri Apr 18 18:53:47 2014, in response to Re: Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by JAzumah on Thu Apr 17 18:16:14 2014. absolutely..! |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri Apr 18 22:05:14 2014, in response to Brooklyn NYPD crack down on dollar vans, activist group calls it racist, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Apr 16 22:53:20 2014. BusTime is available now. They can use that. |
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