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Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 3 14:29:52 2014

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The Q10 line, which runs from Kew Gardens to JFK Airport, will soon be served exclusively by long, articulated buses, according to the MTA — irking some residents who say that the new vehicles will clog the neighborhood's narrow streets.

The transit agency says the larger buses are necessary to handle the busy route. But some Kew Gardens residents say the new buses will create additional traffic problems where even the main thoroughfare — Lefferts Boulevard — has only one lane in each direction.

Moreover, the bus stops had to be adjusted to accommodate articulated buses, which were introduced last year, leading to the elimination of several parking spaces, residents said.

“The articulated Q10s are a disaster,” said Andrea Crawford, Community Board 9’s Transportation Committee chairwoman, who lives in Kew Gardens. “They have taken our parking spots and the [bus] drivers have problems making turns.”

Business owners said that the changes have affected them, too.

Pincus Rosenblum of Rosenblums’s Grocery said that he lost two parking spaces in front of his store, which has been a “tremendous strain” on his business.

He said fewer customers are able to shop there, and it's harder for delivery vans to unload their products.

MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz said in an email that “the Q10 is the highest volume local route MTA Bus operates with an average weekday ridership of 25,000.”

He added that, “The average weekday ridership on NYC routes is approximately 12,000, so there is heavy demand on the Q10 and we have added the articulated buses to meet that demand."

The route connects the E and F subway lines in Kew Gardens and the A line in Ozone Park, and according to the MTA, the Q10 line is often used by "an increasing number of customers going to the airport."

Ortiz also said the fact that Lefferts Boulevard has only one lane in each direction is irrelevant.

“Articulated buses are no wider than a traditional 40-foot bus, and while articulated buses are longer (to accommodate more customers), they are actually easier to maneuver than a 40-foot bus,” he said.

But residents said additional articulated buses on the Q10 line will bring new problems, including taking more space along Kew Gardens Road, where bus drivers stop and wait before beginning their next route.

“We are not a bus terminus and we are not 2nd Avenue,” Crawford said. “It will create traffic jams on Kew Gardens Road.”

Grace Anker, a resident and the owner of a local pottery studio, said long buses lining up along Kew Gardens Road could also affect the parents who drop their kids off at nearby P.S. 99.

“It seems like they are only thinking about” other neighborhoods, Anker said. “But what about us?”

But some commuters said they like the longer buses.

"There is more room and they fit more people," said Zaleena Mohamed, who takes the Q10 every day from Kew Gardens to 109th Street in South Ozone Park. "My concern is rather that more buses should be making local stops."

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20140321/kew-gardens/plan-use-longer-q10-buses-irks-kew-gardens-residents


MTA’s plans to tweak the Q10 bus route and fleet have gained little traction in Kew Gardens.

Community Board 9’s Transportation Committee invited Metropolitan Transportation Authority officials to its Tuesday meeting after lambasting the MTA’s plans to have all three Q10 bus routes — the regular, the limited and the “short trip” that ends before JFK Airport — stop on Kew Gardens Road between 80th Road and 82nd Avenue as a bid to turn the residential strip into a bus terminal.

They also railed against stocking the Q10 fleet with articulated buses — often called double or accordion buses because of their extended length — which neighbors said take away parking spots, clog traffic and struggle to turn on tight street corners.

“We’re a very small community. We’re a village. We’re not a throughway or a terminus,” said Renee Levine, who lives on 82nd Avenue near Kew Gardens Road, noting that traffic already threatens the balance of the neighborhood. “The traffic in the morning coming down my block extends from Austin Street all the way down. They’re lined up.”

Albert Lai, director of service design and operation design at MTA, came with revised plans for the Q10 route, which runs from John F. Kennedy International Airport up to the civic center of the borough on Queens Boulevard.

Lai said the MTA currently planned to have buses travel up Lefferts Boulevard, turn left onto Kew Gardens Road, drop off passengers near 80th Road, rest for up to 10 minutes between shifts and head up to Queens Boulevard, where new riders would board the bus. The Q10 would then travel along 82nd en route to Kew Gardens Road and Lefferts Boulevard. Lai said this setup would alleviate congestion concerns raised by the community while also easing the commute for riders, who would no longer have to wait for various Q10 buses on Kew Gardens Road and Queens Boulevard.

“Passengers would be waiting along the same thoroughfare so they could see which buses are coming and make a more knowledgeable decision on the bus they’re going to get on,” he said.

CB 9 Transportation Committee Chairwoman Andrea Crawford said the revisions made sense, but requested that the MTA do more research and make tweaks after residents worried about buses traveling near PS 99 or overwhelming the northern stretch of Lefferts Boulevard.

The MTA agreed to return to CB 9, but noted that it intended to alter the route as quickly as possible.

But MTA officials said transitioning to articulated buses in April remained a necessity because Q10 buses were overcrowded. Joseph Raskin, assistant director of MTA government-community relations, said the Q10 was the third most popular bus line in the city.

Crawford said she requested ridership statistics after noticing several nearly empty articulated buses, but never received them.

“There’s got to be a different solution,” she said. “Besides the fact that they’re the old, dirty, stinky buses that we got rid of ... they’re taking away parking spots and the merchants are losing business because of it.”

The MTA estimated roughly seven parking spots were lost when bus stops were enlarged to accommodate articulated buses.

http://www.timesledger.com/stories/2014/13/qnsblvdbuses_tl_2014_03_28_q.html

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 3 16:13:40 2014, in response to Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 3 14:29:52 2014.

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Wow. Sure the artic may have been nearly empty........but certainly not in the peak direction & time of day. The complainers likely are those who never ride a bus. Finally they may not know that artics also operate in other parts of Queens, Manhattan and the Bronx.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by bx36ltd on Fri Apr 4 07:35:13 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Apr 3 16:13:40 2014.

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People need to get over it artics are here on that route and they aren't going anywhere I guess u can't please everyone

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 08:34:48 2014, in response to Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Apr 3 14:29:52 2014.

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Now it is just whining. Schedule adjustments are coming to the Q10 on Sunday to ensure better loading (runs on the Q10 will be reduced as the route is going all-articulated); about 30 buses from the 5510-5769 batch are headed for MTA Bus...with the 1999 D60HFs returning to NYC Transit service. Transferred to MTA Bus already are 5514-5, 5558, 5568, 5603-4, and 5649.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by bx36ltd on Fri Apr 4 12:11:22 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 08:34:48 2014.

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Is cuz of mileage there swapping them out

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 13:04:17 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by bx36ltd on Fri Apr 4 12:11:22 2014.

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Or because there is no realistic way in hell that the Q10 can be run as an all-articulated route with 15-year old artics. In the Bronx, these buses can remain for weekday use only. (JFK had not been using artics on weekends.) Today is the last weekday that the Q10 will be run with rigids.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by B53RICH on Fri Apr 4 17:15:18 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Apr 4 08:34:48 2014.

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5645 running on the Q10 as we speak.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 5 00:20:29 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by B53RICH on Fri Apr 4 17:15:18 2014.

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Same complaint was made about the B44 articulated buses in Brooklyn this past week. Residents said "this isn't 2nd Avenue in Manhattan; we don't need the extra-long articulated buses taking up extra parking spaces." Shorter buses have the added benefit of more frequent headways to cover the same passenger load.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 5 01:14:07 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by B53RICH on Fri Apr 4 17:15:18 2014.

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They're all trackable now, except for maybe 5603.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Apr 5 15:00:47 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by BrooklynTrain on Sat Apr 5 00:20:29 2014.

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Shorter buses means more salary and benefits with more bus operators needed.
IMO the ones who hate them are the ones who never ride a bus.

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Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops

Posted by B53RICH on Sat Apr 5 16:00:38 2014, in response to Re: Kew Gardens residents hates Q10 articulated buses & lengthy bus stops, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Apr 5 01:14:07 2014.

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5603 is trackable.

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